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Old 12-11-2012, 01:06 PM
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Pretty sure I am going to snag this turbo off a friend. He is selling a brand new garrett gt2860R. I am looking for about 280-300whp on a h22a. Compressor is 0.42 a/r turbine is 0.64 a/r. Internal wastegated etc. I am just curious if anyone has used these on a h22 and what kind of numbers they produced and at what psi.
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Its a response turbo. No one would worry about "numbers" on this. You'll make that power without a problem, but plan to have a boost controller (as it comes with the #6 actuator) and plan on over 11-15 psi of boost pressure. It will respond awesome, but look to it for a street application and nothing above 330whp. By then you'll need to sleeve the block anyway for those FRM liners and get something else anyway.

But its a fun little unit.
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That's what I am aiming for. It's for a street application, nothing to crazy. Quick spool time and nothing to crazy. I'm trying to keep it around 10 psi since it is a stock block. I don't want to stress the motor out to much. I was curious what rpm full boost would be hitting at. I'm not 100% sure how to read a turbo graph from garrett.
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nice hmm 10psi should make easy 300 on a 2.2
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Not really. no. Don't worry about the boost pressure so much as its based upon the compressor's ability to convert pressurized air to airflow. on average about 12psi or so for the H22A specifically to get to that area give or take. With that displacement you'll be fine to use it, but don't expect the world here.
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I have another question for you guys. Am I able to clock the turbo being an internal wastegated turbo? I was looking at it and it is a t28 flange. with the exhaust side mounted to a log manifold the cool side is facing the block. Obviously not going to work unless I can clock it facing the ground.
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Originally Posted by Prudz_lude
I have another question for you guys. Am I able to clock the turbo being an internal wastegated turbo? I was looking at it and it is a t28 flange. with the exhaust side mounted to a log manifold the cool side is facing the block. Obviously not going to work unless I can clock it facing the ground.
You can disconnect the 2 compressor bolts that connect the compressor cover to the wastegate frame, re-clock, then ensure that the two bolts reconnect. so if it came clocked incorrectly, it shouldn't be much of a problem. The turbine housing you cannot reposition.
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Part number is 707-160-0005 i'll post some pictures so you can have a look at it just to be sure.
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I'm going with a basic cast manifold,

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Godspeed-prel...ht_4845wt_1037

Does it look like this could work.
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Ugh. another Godspeed victim, using a great turbo...my condolences.

But yes, you can rotate the compressor cover so that it bolts to 2 other 13mm bolts on the housing as I stated.
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Default Re: Decent size turbo for goals/setup?

you can also obtain a different actuator arm from Garrett if the bolts do not line up well to the bolt holes for your application. i love the GT series turbos, might be a bit small for the 2.2 but a great street car. tune it for lean burn and get great gas mileage!
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Originally Posted by TheShodan
Ugh. another Godspeed victim, using a great turbo...my condolences.

But yes, you can rotate the compressor cover so that it bolts to 2 other 13mm bolts on the housing as I stated.
What would you suggest then? I don't want to spend a whole wack load of money on a manifold. I know it is not the best period, in fact I know it's a pretty **** design but so is every log manifold for that matter. Going to a full ramhorn is kind of over kill for my goals, and is quiet a bit more.

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you can also obtain a different actuator arm from Garrett if the bolts do not line up well to the bolt holes for your application. i love the GT series turbos, might be a bit small for the 2.2 but a great street car. tune it for lean burn and get great gas mileage!
Good to know! I appreciate the help guys.
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how much are you getting that turbo for? just to gauge what is a "whack load of money" is in by your reference. it isn't a cheap turbo new.
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$600 for the turbo brand new. I know it's way less than I should be paying. I never skimp on quality when it comes to parts. But log manifolds seem the only way to retain a/c and p/s on a 4th gen prelude. Everything else seems to have to delete the two systems. Or at a minimum a/c. Spoolin puts out their stainless log manifold which is basically the same design. I'm more likely to go with the godspeed one since it is 1 1/3rd the price, same design, and won't crack on me. Not saying spoolin is a cheap manifold, it has welds so more prone to cracking.
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I got a go autoworks cast for a little over a hundred for a B series. Worth the couple extra dollars to get one from them or a reputable company. It has a great placement angle on a b-series compared to a cheaper version and it seems to be made a lot better. This is one of those things that you could cheap out on but it would definitely save headaches of fitment to get one from a better company. Trust me there ARE headaches on install with a cheap manifold or turbo! Right shodan?
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Such as? I can't see it being that different than a spoolin log manifold.
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Originally Posted by Prudz_lude
$600 for the turbo brand new. I know it's way less than I should be paying. I never skimp on quality when it comes to parts. But log manifolds seem the only way to retain a/c and p/s on a 4th gen prelude. Everything else seems to have to delete the two systems. Or at a minimum a/c. Spoolin puts out their stainless log manifold which is basically the same design. I'm more likely to go with the godspeed one since it is 1 1/3rd the price, same design, and won't crack on me. Not saying spoolin is a cheap manifold, it has welds so more prone to cracking.
The spoolin' was exactly what I was going to suggest. I'm sorry, but as one of the main components that you don't take the risk with... "won't crack on me" is not a good reason to use the Godspeed as to that is exactly what will happen with the casting materials they use. Man up.. Grab the Spoolin' and never look back. Godspeed won't correct anything if it goes wrong.. Spoolin' will. Kinda simple, actually.
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Or a mini ram.. Not to badly priced
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Originally Posted by TheShodan
The spoolin' was exactly what I was going to suggest. I'm sorry, but as one of the main components that you don't take the risk with... "won't crack on me" is not a good reason to use the Godspeed as to that is exactly what will happen with the casting materials they use. Man up.. Grab the Spoolin' and never look back. Godspeed won't correct anything if it goes wrong.. Spoolin' will. Kinda simple, actually.
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Or a mini ram.. Not to badly priced
What would you guys suggest if I were to go for a ramhorn? I don't want the stepped ram horns. I would want one like the b series where all 4 runners are the same height, length etc. I can never find an h22 one like that.
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Found it facepalm

http://www.spoolinperformance.com/sp...ower-p-50.html

That is exactly what I want.
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Originally Posted by Prudz_lude
What would you guys suggest if I were to go for a ramhorn? I don't want the stepped ram horns. I would want one like the b series where all 4 runners are the same height, length etc. I can never find an h22 one like that.
I wouldn't.. not for that turbocharger.
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So what would you suggest?
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That turbo may be a bit on the small side for the H22. I would try and plot that on a compressor map.
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Decided I will be going with a spoolin log manifold so I can keep a/c and p/s. Also, I can request to make the manifold without a wastegate port.


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