if you, for one second think that you know more about cams then Bisi, who has a carbed f22 that runs mid 9's, you should have your head examined.

and yes, they are new so there arnt many ppl that run them on high boost setups... yet. i would doubt that any SOHC of the shelf cam on the market today can outperform his. when i talked to him he mentioned he tested 13 different profiles to finally come out with the one he is selling. but you'd rather fallow the crowed of a bunch of clueless [freak]s, huh ?

btw, you are stuck here between a rock and a hard place arguing for the y8 ****. your argument is one that can be compared very closely to the many ebay turbo threads on here.


oh, and i almost forgot, congrats on making 350hp. thats such an astonishment, for you at least.

 

damn, thats alot of power on a zex cam, looks to be good enough for me, I really am only shooting for 250whp. so I dont have to do too much. I think Im gonna find alot of power in the tune. (hopefully)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by zex_cool &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you, for one second think that you know more about cams then Bisi</TD></TR></TABLE>

1. Having a fast car doesn't mean you know how to design a cam.
2. I doubted that he knows more about cams than Crower/Comp Cams. I'm not sure how to make that any clearer. I don't know why you have such a hard time with reading comprehension.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i would doubt that any SOHC of the shelf cam on the market today can outperform his. </TD></TR></TABLE>


Have whatever "doubts" you want - making power is not a matter of opinion.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">when i talked to him he mentioned he tested 13 different profiles to finally come out with the one he is selling. </TD></TR></TABLE>


Manufacturing a product after testing only 13 designs? That is an extremely small number of design prototypes leading to a finished product.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but you'd rather fallow the crowed of a bunch of clueless [freak]s, huh ? </TD></TR></TABLE>


You condemn jumping on the Zex bandwagon just so you can immediately jump on the Bisi bandwagon? The Bisi bandwagon has less supporting evidence than any other cam bandwagon in existence.

Do you understand why I constantly shred the credibility of your posts? You are without a doubt the single least intelligent person I've ever conversed with.

The logical approach to selecting a cam: study the empirical evidence (dyno sheets, back to back testing, etc.) and consumer satisfaction, then narrow down your choices to arrive at a single conclusion.

Your dimwitted approach: "Duhhhh, Bisi is good, so his cam must be good by association. Case closed. "

I find it amazing that you're still willing to respond to my posts whenever I cut you down. The outcome is always the same - you maintain the onslaught of completely moronic ideas and I systematically reduce them to ash, then proceed to insult your extreme lack of intelligence.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">btw, you are stuck here between a rock and a hard place arguing for the y8 ****. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't argue in favor of anything other than science and logic.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">your argument is one that can be compared very closely to the many ebay turbo threads on here. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Really? Why don't you point out a single logical correlation between the two. Better yet, since I know you won't find any, I'll just issue a preemptive insult: You're an idiot.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by K7-1Ktrevor &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">damn, thats alot of power on a zex cam, looks to be good enough for me, I really am only shooting for 250whp. </TD></TR></TABLE>


Don't forget, peak power doesn't mean much. That guy actually went on to make roughly 600whp which held until 9k RPMs. But you can guess how short the runners on his intake manifold are, and he was using a GT3567R / .82 turbo. *EDIT: found out it was actually a 59500 cam, not a 59300*


The dyno JD posted (with the Crower cam) is killer. Look at the powerband. My advice to you - if you want wait for Bisi to post anything real about his cams, wait for that. If not - score a 59300 for cheap. The beauty of the immense Zex bandwagon is that the cams are everywhere. I can usually find them on ebay/h-t for about $150. The Bisi cams are $350...

Flat tappet cams don't last forever either. My first 59300 only lasted a year. Replacing a $350 Bisi cam on a motor than only costs $350 for the complete longblock is a bit hard to swallow.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Legion &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Take your esoteric timing knowledge to the grave with you. Must be lonely at the top. Maybe you and Justin Jones can run off and live a long happy life together, free from the inquisitive attacks from droves of belligerent 'tards like me.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Dude, you have to be kidding me. Why the hell do you have beef with me? Have I ever even talked to you before on any forum... ever?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Legion &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
1. Having a fast car doesn't mean you know how to design a cam.
it does actually if you design everything for it. but what would you know about that, you ride the bandwagon like every other douche on here?
2. I doubted that he knows more about cams than Crower/Comp Cams. I'm not sure how to make that any clearer. I don't know why you have such a hard time with reading comprehension.
like you said, "making power is not a matter of opinion." he does jst that AND with the most unsuspecting power plant. what have you done again ??
Manufacturing a product after testing only 13 designs? That is an extremely small number of design prototypes leading to a finished product.
if you already know where to start its not. maybe your the one that should work on your reading comprehension.
Do you understand why I constantly shred the credibility of your posts? You are without a doubt the single least intelligent person I've ever conversed with.
you do nothing but cry like a little girl that jst got her menarche.
i don't argue in favor of anything other than science and logic.
what ?? where ?? sorry, i fail to see ANY.
Really? Why don't you point out a single logical correlation between the two. Better yet, since I know you won't find any, I'll just issue a preemptive insult: You're an idiot.
how many ppl told you y8 is **** ? what have you said ? oh thats right, that you managed a measly 350whp. LoL congrats on that one again, i bet i can get that much with your ordinary household supplies.

you my friend are the uneducated, idiotic fool.</TD></TR></TABLE>

a6 head with a bisi regrind which is NOT 350 but rather ~170. there is no better/cost effective combo you can go with.
for only 250whp you dont need anything but a decent size turbo. my friend made 400+(vitara/eagles) and i made 300+(vitaras/tts).

SOHC vtec is WAY overrated ! ask anyone with any experience. Legion doesnt fit that category.

take your time responding. its the weekend, ill get back to ya on monday you ****.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Justin Jones &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Dude, you have to be kidding me. Why the hell do you have beef with me? Have I ever even talked to you before on any forum... ever? </TD></TR></TABLE>

And since you're here... any thoughts/opinions to contribute?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you ride the bandwagon like every other douche on here?</TD></TR></TABLE>

So first I'm all alone, being the only one to "advocate" the y8 head - now I'm a bandwagon rider? That's a neat strategy you've developed - argue both sides of the argument. You can't lose!

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">like you said, "making power is not a matter of opinion." he does jst that AND with the most unsuspecting power plant. what have you done again ??</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ohhhh, so installing one of the cams he sells means you instantly have one of these:




<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you already know where to start its not. maybe your the one that should work on your reading comprehension.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Clearly, my response indicated full comprehension of what you typed. I simply disagree that testing 13 designs is any kind of selling point.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you do nothing but cry like a little girl that jst got her menarche.</TD></TR></TABLE>




<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what ?? where ?? sorry, i fail to see ANY.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You've made that quite apparent.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how many ppl told you y8 is **** ? what have you said ? oh thats right, that you managed a measly 350whp. LoL congrats on that one again, i bet i can get that much with your ordinary household supplies.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Riiiiiiiiiiiight - 350whp on a SOHC on 91 octane - just a typical HMT setup!


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a6 head with a bisi regrind which is NOT 350 but rather ~170. there is no better/cost effective combo you can go with. for only 250whp you dont need anything but a decent size turbo. my friend made 400+(vitara/eagles) and i made 300+(vitaras/tts).</TD></TR></TABLE>


"No better/cost effective combo"? Obviously the best/most cost effective route is for the guy to leave his z6 head alone. For 250whp, throw in a cam and call it a day.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Legion &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And since you're here... any thoughts/opinions to contribute? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Not much, things are going pretty good in here it seems, lol.

I somewhat disagree with Zexcool, maybe he knows something I'm missing, but it takes a bunch of money to make an A6/B7 head competitive with a Z6 head, and I've bought complete running Z6s for like $100-$150 with minty heads on multiple occasions... I'd always pick the Z6 head over any other head for a budget build. Why sell yourself short? One look at the valve sizes and the port cross sectional areas and it seems like an easy choice to me.

I don't have much to say about the Y8 head since I always thought of them as a waste of time, other than perhaps some porting combined with some Splash Zone epoxy (Sold by Reher Morrisson, they use it in some of their heads) would fix that intake port divider pretty quick, cheap and easy (compared to welding and porting.)

For off the shelf cams, I have no idea what actually works best in the real world, but on paper, the 59500 looks best to me, and it has been the cam of choice for all the most powerful D16s I can think of right now...

 

Well, I have over $2,000 sunk into my y8 head, so I'd like to think it isn't a total waste! I'm hoping I can hit 450whp by 25psi and silence some of the y8 haters. I'm already making power to 8k with the Zex cam.

As much naysaying as you see on the forum, real life seems to take a different path (as always). Check out the comments on this guy's vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...lated

"I've been running it to 9K. Crank pulley, oil pump, water pump, and all bearings are the original parts since the motor came from the factory, never been replaced."

Pretty impressive. Here's the difference between that and Bisi: the guy on youtube is running high 10s on a budget y8 build. Bisi is running mid/high 9s in a SOHC non-vtec F-SERIES in his FULL DRAG INSIGHT and suddenly the "vtec isn't necessary" bandwagon begins. Bisi intentionally set out to prove that non-vtec power was possible, but he clearly spent more time/money on the project than any teeny-boppin' ricer is going to invest.

LOL at any D-series budget racer who doesn't opt for the y8 or z6 head.

 

I know I probably **** out too much/too fast for JD to respond - but I'm extremely interested to hear what he thinks about rotating the y8 distributor all the way to the wall. Everyone who ever ran their OBD2 engine on an OBD1 ECU has done this, with seemingly no ill consequences. Maybe I'm not envisioning the dizzy internals properly, but I don't see how you can rotate it too far. The reluctors/pickups for the 3 sensors are merely rotating around the 3 trigger wheels (let's call them that). You should be able to rotate the dizzy a full 360* without issue since the 3 pickups will maintain their orientation with respect to each other.


And there would also be the obvious reasoning that Honda build the slots into the dizzy for the sole purpose of allowing it to rotate...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Legion &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well, I have over $2,000 sunk into my y8 head, so I'd like to think it isn't a total waste! I'm hoping I can hit 450whp by 25psi and silence some of the y8 haters. I'm already making power to 8k with the Zex cam.

As much naysaying as you see on the forum, real life seems to take a different path (as always). Check out the comments on this guy's vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...lated

"I've been running it to 9K. Crank pulley, oil pump, water pump, and all bearings are the original parts since the motor came from the factory, never been replaced."
</TD></TR></TABLE>

Quite the wild thread here!

My input on the subject-

That's my hatch in that video. The motor was a bone stock automatic Y8 with a Zex 59300 cam and Z6 IM that ended up cracking a few pistons due to repeatedly racing the car with too low of a gas level in the tank and leaning it out.

I then simply ball-honed it and threw in the Eagle rods & Vitara pistons, reusing all other 100k+mile stock components. I never intended it to see the power levels it's currently at, I just kept upping the boost (on an Ebay 57 trim) and revlimit and it held up great and made good power.

I too was worried about the Y8 "oiling problems" and "poor flowing head".

But it seems that I can't seem to replicate these issues in this motor. It has been continuously beaten on revving to 9K at ~30psi of boost and innumerable back-to-back runs (racing bikes)from 50-150mph, tons of dyno pulls, and track time with many 10 sec passes and zero issues.

The oddball timing on Y8's only applies to a stock piston'd motor with the proper factory quench zone. And who cares if it's "wierd"? You go about tuning it in the same manner as you would any other motor and it's fine. The values that you "see" in the timing tables don't matter as long as it's what that particular combo wants. And once you go with an aftermarket piston the quench zone no longer functions as designed and timing becomes "normal" per se.

So, we are concerned with the Y8 heads flow only at this point. They definitely don't appear to flow well and the flow bench testing that I've seen says the same.

All I know is that in stock form it'll flow enough to make 442whp/323tq on my setup and that's good enough for 99% of the D-series guys out there. And other guys running nearly the same setup as me with the exception of a Z6 head are making pretty much the same power levels, so I don't see an advantage there.

So IMO, just run whichever head/block combo (Z6 or Y8) floats your boat, it makes no real difference. Cam and ignition timing adjustments will be taken care of with a proper tune as well, so no sweat there either.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JFK78 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That's my hatch in that video. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Lol, sweet - because I was the guy asking questions


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> The motor was a bone stock automatic Y8 with a Zex 59300 cam and Z6 IM that ended up cracking a few pistons due to repeatedly racing the car with too low of a gas level in the tank and leaning it out.

I then simply ball-honed it and threw in the Eagle rods & Vitara pistons, reusing all other 100k+mile stock components. I never intended it to see the power levels it's currently at, I just kept upping the boost (on an Ebay 57 trim) and revlimit and it held up great and made good power. </TD></TR></TABLE>


Which makes you my new hero (no homo).


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I too was worried about the Y8 "oiling problems"</TD></TR></TABLE>

I've been saying this forever - the spun bearing issue disappears with aftermarket rods. I'm not sure what the problem is from the factory - improper bearing clearances, rod bore distortion, loss of bolt tension, etc.; people with built shortblocks don't have this problem. I did a lot of research on this in the past - all the tuners and Honda techs who bitched about y8 oil problems were referring to spun rod bearings on factory Honda rods.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The oddball timing on Y8's only applies to a stock piston'd motor with the proper factory quench zone. </TD></TR></TABLE>

My understanding is that the quench pads are a good thing...? The piston tops match the quench pads on the cyl. head which pushes the air/fuel mix into the center of the combustion chamber, thus raising the detonation threshold. Hence the reason why people get their chambers welded. Like you said though - as soon as you throw in some dish-top pistons, the quench pads lose their purpose.


As for flow - I remember when Full-Race (lost) that pink hatch on Pinks with the turbo D16 motor. It had a y8 head on an a6 block. Headgames did the headwork and claimed "it flowed as well as a b-series head." That's kind of a meaningless comparison, but it sounds like they extracted some serious flow from it. 460whp, stock sleeves/ standard t3t04e .63 A/R:

 

I have had a zex cam and a crower stage 2 cam in my 400whp d16z before i stripped it down and returned it to stock. The zex felt a whole lot better and i would recommend it

 

did it have all #3 rod bores from the factory?

 

I have two jobs, school, and a kid. I could care less about holding hands to make sure the class is all on the same page - this is not my job.


I don't particularly like having my *** kissed - it's why I'm on my third hiatus from HT, and currently on my second from HMT.

My words are not a disheveled mess, but can be too elaborately worded for people to follow. Every word is chosen to be specific in meaning, and is interwoven with the physical relationships being discussed, so if you don't have most of the cards I'm holding then you'll probably lose some of the meaning - implied, or obvious from my point of view.

The distributor drive end of the Y8 cam is off by a half tooth. For a (non-88) D16A/Z the cam gear keyway and distributor are aligned. For a D15 the cam gear keyway and distributor drive are also aligned. For a D16Y the cam gear keyway is cut like a D15 and the distributor drive is like a D16A/Z.

The distributor is obviously out of time when centered. The OBD2 Y8 fix for this was to center the distributor so it looked correct and patch the timing code to suit. How, exactly? By how much?

D15 *cough* Y8 *cough* cam gear keyways are 1/2 tooth off compared to D16A/Z. How much off is this? Well, there are 40 teeth on the cam gear and 20 on the crank. The cam turns once (360 deg) for every engine cycle and the crank turns twice (720 deg) in the same cycle. Let's marry the two mathematical relationships:

360 deg/40 teeth = 9 deg rotation per tooth with respect to the cam. Ergo, a half tooth off is 4.5 degrees with respect to the cam. Since the crank turns twice the rate the cam does, 4.5 degrees cam = 9 degrees crank.

So, a centered distributor reads (via OBD1 logic) 9 degrees off with respect to actual crankshaft alignment. Honda/Keihin software engineers altered timing maps and base timing sensor handling by 9 degrees. Let's put it all together now:

21 degrees on the P2P maps - 9 degrees cam error = 12 degrees base timing @ idle. Coincidence? Hardly.


If you pay close attention this was all merely counting a few teeth on timing gears, peering at a few distributors, examining a few cams/gears, fifteen minutes of fiddling with a timing light, and some vanilla algebra. D16 and their parts are abundant/free/cheap, every one of the people reading this thread this far in has a timing light, so the only thing lacking when people don't know this is they are either lazy or innumerate. Well, I did the work but people still don't understand, so they are obviously stupid.


Let's see some of it, or shut up with all the noise. So far you've gotten things completely wrong, posted other people's results, and talked about a SOHC project that doesn't run that you "hope" makes the power you are shooting for.

Have fun getting there!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Joseph Davis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">21 degrees on the P2P maps - 9 degrees cam error = 12 degrees base timing @ idle. Coincidence? Hardly.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ah, so the 21 degrees is on the P2P maps. Why on earth would anyone use P2P maps with an ECU that doesn't support a knock sensor? I've never touched a P2P map in my life. There's absolutely no reason to.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">fevery one of the people reading this thread this far in has a timing light, so the only thing lacking when people don't know this is they are either lazy or innumerate.</TD></TR></TABLE>

So... that's it? Pretty much what I said, wouldn't you say? Twist the dizzy. Amazing, problem solved! What are these reluctor alignment issues you speak of?


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Let's see some of it, or shut up with all the noise. </TD></TR></TABLE>

The last writeup I did was on the OBX LSD, and I was banned shortly after. I vowed not to waste my time doing any more of those. Those images have 30,000 hits. I'm sure the people who have used that information would argue that I've been helpful. They sure seemed to appreciate my extensive JRSC install writeup too.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> So far you've gotten things completely wrong</TD></TR></TABLE>


OH REALLY? Point out a single ******* piece of wrong information I've posted. You run around crying about y8 timing issues and keyways and distributors and all this other bullshit when there's absolutely NO problem. A brain damaged 4-year-old infant could realize that you have to sync your timing maps to the dizzy with a timing light. How is this any sort of issue/problem/subject worth discussing?


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">posted other people's results</TD></TR></TABLE>


How does it have ANY relevance where the info comes from? Results are results.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and talked about a SOHC project that doesn't run </TD></TR></TABLE>

That's funny, I could swear it's running when I spin my drag radials in 3rd gear on the freeway every day. I must be imagining it. I'd better stop doing that though, my TDC/CPK/CYP sensor pickups might be out of whack


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">that you "hope" makes the power you are shooting for.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I built the engine, I did all the fab work, and I tuned it on the street with a wideband and a stethescope det-can. Forgive me if I haven't had the time/ambition to fill it with race gas and get it dyno'd. I could show you a picture of the $8,000+ y8 engine sitting in my bay, or the garage littered with dismantled z6 and y8 engines that I've accumulated over the years, but I suppose I have no "e-cred" without a piece of paper to show off. I for one don't base the size of my e-***** on dyno charts, but if you'd like, I can photoshop any dyno curve you want. Just tell me what you what the optimum powerband to look like in order for me to gain the maximum number of ***** enlarging inches.

 

Some of the best knowledge does come out of arguing. The only difference is, the arguing puts the entertainment factor into it. I could read this stuff all day

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Legion &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I built the engine, I did all the fab work, and I tuned it on the street with a wideband and a stethescope det-can. Forgive me if I haven't had the time/ambition to fill it with race gas and get it dyno'd. I could show you a picture of the $8,000+ y8 engine sitting in my bay, or the garage littered with dismantled z6 and y8 engines that I've accumulated over the years, but I suppose I have no "e-cred" without a piece of paper to show off. I for one don't base the size of my e-***** on dyno charts, but if you'd like, I can photoshop any dyno curve you want. Just tell me what you what the optimum powerband to look like in order for me to gain the maximum number of ***** enlarging inches.</TD></TR></TABLE>


I would like to see pictures of your engine/ garage.

By the way I think you and JD are assets to HT and I pay attention to stuff that both of you post.

I plan to buy a rod bolt strech gauge on your advise

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by katoeh2o &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would like to see pictures of your engine/ garage.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Dang, you're actually going to call me on that?! . Okay, I just snapped these. I took a few of my garage too, but now that I look at the cluttered, junk filled mess I call a garage, I'm not sure if I want to post those...










<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I plan to buy a rod bolt strech gauge on your advise </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

^^^ Is that a custom plenum on stock runners or an actual production manifold?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civdx94 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">^^^ Is that a custom plenum on stock runners or an actual production manifold?</TD></TR></TABLE>

It's both, really. It is a custom plenum welded/ported to stock runners, but it's also a production piece. JG makes them. Or at least they used to. They've changed their design now and use a much larger plenum.

It's a pretty good manifold, but it lacks velocity stacks. It's also incredibly loud. It makes a high-pitched whining noise under load which sounds very similar to a turbo spooling. I wouldn't recommend it on a "street" car. The sound would drive me nuts, except my motor mounts and exhaust already make the car so loud and rattly that I can't even hear it anymore.

It also doesn't come with an IACV boss, which is why I had to mount my IAC valve on the firewall. That's what the little K&N filter is going to.

 

is that a RFL bov? is someone still in 9th grade? LOL

painted fuel filter?

 

No no no, it's an RFL knock-off; $30 on ebay. It blows off pretty good. Today it blew right off the flange and shot across my engine bay. Good times. Also note the partially primered charge pipe and the 4gauge fused wire leading to no where

 

i actually like the car and the color but your still a dumbass.