Another satisfied S-FAB customer.

 

I started reading this thread and was like.......how long till someone asks if it was a XS egay turbo!!!

It took almost to page 2

Where the haters at today? Did they get the day off?

 

my thought exactly when I started reading this... my first thought was ssac...

 

live and learn i guess.

my t3/t4 on my 240 looked ten times worse, but it was only confined to the turbine wheel. after years of running my tubular manifold, it finally gave up the ghost, but it didnt want to leave alone so it took the turbine wheel with it.

be glad it was this and not worse, because it totally could have been.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

That's the exact opposite advise i give my customers. With the time and money he's out, he could have bought a GT turbo to begin with and not had to deal with this crap.

I like to think most people learn the lesson, do it right the first time, after a mistake or two like this. </TD></TR></TABLE>

The thing is:

accidents DO happen.

you should base a project on your budget

you shouldn't base a budget on your project


You have your opinion. cool

I have my opinion. cool... beans?

Others have their opinion. Hot Potatoes!


A few things, If you ask me:

if you ask me... EVERYONE should be creative

if you ask me... EVERYONE should think out side the box

if you ask me... EVERYONE should try experimenting more

if you ask me... EVERYONE should try new things

if you ask me... EVERYONE should try doing what makes them happy

if you ask me... EVERYONE shouldn't be bound by the band wagons

if you ask me... EVERYONE should start their own / new band wagon

HOW? if you ask me... EVERYONE should stop being followers

HOW? if you ask me... EVERYONE should start thinking out side of the box.

LOL

none of this really is relative... kinda?

and none really makes since... kinda?

but honestly i don't care.

Its Monday, go out and enjoy the day and make the best of your day at work/school. and quit sitting on honda-tech all day bashing everyone and hurting their feelings.

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[/end my goofy reply]

 

That does suck,


but the old motto of "You get what you pay for" really comes to mind.
Doing it right once is cheaper then doing it wrong once then right the second time.

 

I'd rather buy a used, proven Garrett (or the like turbo) over that nice shiney new paperweight.

Any business who utilizes a product like SSAC won't be around long.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BrockNB &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That does suck,


but the old motto of "You get what you pay for" really comes to mind.
Doing it right once is cheaper then doing it wrong once then right the second time.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not always

good example is the Pinks EG

TOP NOTCH work - fr crew
TOP NOTCH parts - fr parts
TOP NOTCH tuners - t1/je
TOP NOTCH drivers - t1

but even this TOP NOTCH car had 1 issue that cost the race.

The real rule of thumb should be. If you don't want to expect the worst... stick with driving stock cars with warranty's

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDMs1eeper &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Not always

good example is the Pinks EG

TOP NOTCH work - fr crew
TOP NOTCH parts - fr parts
TOP NOTCH tuners - t1/je
TOP NOTCH drivers - t1

but even this TOP NOTCH car had 1 issue that cost the race.

The real rule of thumb should be. If you don't want to expect the worst... stick with driving stock cars with warranty's</TD></TR></TABLE>

Nothing about that build was SSAC imitation ****. It doesn't apply whatsoever. The only thing budget there was the shell of the car itself.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HybridKOOP &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'd rather buy a used, proven Garrett (or the like turbo) over that nice shiney new paperweight.

Any business who utilizes a product like SSAC won't be around long.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't push parts.

Everyone has their opinions. Everyone has their right to voice them.

Do you really think... its impossible for a namebrand to fail?

I have a Garrett here that suffered the same fiat! hahaha

**** happens.

 

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The real rule of thumb should be. If you don't want to expect the worst... stick with driving stock cars with warranty's</TD></TR></TABLE>

no the rule of thumb should be: do it right the first time so you don't have to worry about **** like this happening

example: im rebuilding a car right now for a local, he just rebuilt it 6,000 miles ago with eagle rods and srp pistons, basically a complete rebuild good for 350whp, the person who put it together for him reused his cheap oil feed (a brake like ran off the oil pressure sensor feed)

now im rebuilding it because that cheap little hard brake line broke and ruined his whole bottom end including all 4 rod bearings, thrust bearings and one main bearing..

if i had built this budget build the first time i would have put in a better oil feed line, but since i didnt build it, and the person who did didnt care about the customer he is now spending money on a new block rods pistons etc.....

that 100 dollars towards a good oil feed line could have saved him a whole lot of headaches

all in all he is rebuilding everything better now and is shooting for 600whp with a sleaved block lol

 

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Nothing about that build was SSAC imitation ****. It doesn't apply whatsoever. The only thing budget there was the shell of the car itself.</TD></TR></TABLE>


what r u talking about?

 

It's very simple really. You can't say the xs power turbos and garrett turbos are the same because they've both failed at one point, that's just ridiculous. The possibility of failure with the xs power turbo is WAY more likely than with a better quality turbo.

Customers come to shop owners because they don't know, they want advise. To advise someone to buy that junk and then say "**** happens" when it falls apart is just dumb. This situation wasn't an accident, just a shitty product.

 

What Oil feed line was it?

 

As tony is saying, ssac can never be compared to garrett... by any logic.

I have seen more than a few ssac turbo's die like this... and a variety of other ways too. They are totally substandard units imo, the failures I have seen illustrate this well.

 

remember everyone, dont pay for a name! get the great quality of the SSAC and XS-Power turbos for less!!!!

 

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Customers come to shop owners because they don't know, they want advise. To advise someone to buy that junk and then say "**** happens" when it falls apart is just dumb. This situation wasn't an accident, just a shitty product.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I was thinking the same thing. It's comparable to coming to a doctor and he told you to take some shitty med, you went ahead and do it because..well..he's a doctor after all. Next thing you know you got an extra arm growing out of your ***.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by coptzer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

no the rule of thumb should be: do it right the first time so you don't have to worry about **** like this happening

example: im rebuilding a car right now for a local, he just rebuilt it 6,000 miles ago with eagle rods and srp pistons, basically a complete rebuild good for 350whp, the person who put it together for him reused his cheap oil feed (a brake like ran off the oil pressure sensor feed)

now im rebuilding it because that cheap little hard brake line broke and ruined his whole bottom end including all 4 rod bearings, thrust bearings and one main bearing..

if i had built this budget build the first time i would have put in a better oil feed line, but since i didnt build it, and the person who did didnt care about the customer he is now spending money on a new block rods pistons etc.....

that 100 dollars towards a good oil feed line could have saved him a whole lot of headaches

all in all he is rebuilding everything better now and is shooting for 600whp with a sleaved block lol</TD></TR></TABLE>

i have nothing against you.

Even oil lines can fail or be faulty.

You shouldn't take your setup past the point that it isn't fun anymore.
Unless this sport/hobby is a drug to you.

You need to expect the best but prepare for the worst.

You shouldn't get more than you can afford to redo at least twice.

I'll post pictures of my Garrett t4/62-1 I got from a friend.

Bolt backed out and it ate it also...

 

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You right, i couldnt be happier, for the money i paid the parts he fabed up are top knotch At the time only thing i could afford turbo wise was a ebay t70. ive seen first hand people running them with no problems i just got a bad one. as they say its luck of the draw

 

So what turbo are you going to buy this time?

 

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You right, i couldnt be happier, for the money i paid the parts he fabed up are top knotch At the time only thing i could afford turbo wise was a ebay t70. ive seen first hand people running them with no problems i just got a bad one. as they say its luck of the draw</TD></TR></TABLE>

for the amount that you paid you could have gotten a used garret, i sold my garret 60-1 for 500 dollars and it only had 5,000 miles on it with absolutely no shaft play

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's very simple really. You can't say the xs power turbos and garrett turbos are the same because they've both failed at one point, that's just ridiculous. The possibility of failure with the xs power turbo is WAY more likely than with a better quality turbo.

Customers come to shop owners because they don't know, they want advise. To advise someone to buy that junk and then say "**** happens" when it falls apart is just dumb. This situation wasn't an accident, just a shitty product.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I know, the failure %'s are a lot different.

I'm not stating they are even in the same ball park.

I offer advice like this.

Q: If your $1,000 garrett failed, what would you do?
A: throw it through the window of a passing car, then shoot my self in the foot.

Q: If your $250 knock off failed, what would you do?
A: Try one more, if that fails. I'll buy a used Garrett and still be under the price of the Full Retail original i would have bought. Learn.


Which do you think is better Tony? Tell my customer to make a gamble that could have him in such a rage, he'd give up his dreams for 10s? Perhaps come by here and throw the name brand at me? or even worse, inflict self wounds on himself? haha

Or have him make the chance to gamble with the cushion for mistakes.

You make decisions on your finances. If you cant replace every item you buy, twice. You're risking more than your can afford to loose.

My advice is geared, towards the best interests in the customer. Whether he,she, you think so. Its my advice, my opinion.

example

Do you buy, Motrin IB. or you do buy WalMart's Smart choice Ibuprofen? (i think?)

If you have to put your kids chips back for his school lunch, to meet your high end, name brand tastes. Thats you. Not me.

 

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i have nothing against you.

Even oil lines can fail or be faulty.

You shouldn't take your setup past the point that it isn't fun anymore.
Unless this sport/hobby is a drug to you.

You need to expect the best but prepare for the worst.

You shouldn't get more than you can afford to redo at least twice.

I'll post pictures of my Garrett t4/62-1 I got from a friend.

Bolt backed out and it ate it also...
</TD></TR></TABLE>

I had my turbine housing bolts back out..and I damaged my turbine wheel...but that was MY FAULT. not garrett's. I religiously use hi-temp thread lock any time I assemble my turbo's now. I don't blame that on the turbo manufacturer.

I also call the manufacturer and read the material that comes with it for oiling instructions. Does it require a restrictor? Max psi of oil pressure?

What it comes down to is once you've wasted enough time replacing bullshit turbo's and fixing problems that take away from you doing other things...IE making money or being with your family... you realize you're MUCH better off buying a Garrett turbocharger and not some BS SSAC turbo.

You're arguing for your ignorance.

 

so you could not afford to do anything else other than the junk t70 you bought, now that it is trashed and you have to buy another... is it a good thing you saved the money buying cheap junk cause you could not wait a little longer to get quality parts.

you sound like you are going to buy another then since it was just a fluke, I mean why do it right once when you can do it wrong twice.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDMs1eeper &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I know, the failure %'s are a lot different.

I'm not stating they are even in the same ball park.

I offer advice like this.

Q: If your $1,000 garrett failed, what would you do?
A: throw it through the window of a passing car, then shoot my self in the foot.

Q: If your $250 knock off failed, what would you do?
A: Try one more, if that fails. I'll buy a used Garrett and still be under the price of the Full Retail original i would have bought. Learn.


Which do you think is better Tony? Tell my customer to make a gamble that could have him in such a rage, he'd give up his dreams for 10s? Perhaps come by here and throw the name brand at me? or even worse, inflict self wounds on himself? haha

Or have him make the chance to gamble with the cushion for mistakes.

You make decisions on your finances. If you cant replace every item you buy, twice. You're risking more than your can afford to loose.

My advice is geared, towards the best interests in the customer. Whether he,she, you think so. Its my advice, my opinion.

example

Do you buy, Motrin IB. or you do buy WalMart's Smart choice Ibuprofen? (i think?)

If you have to put your kids chips back for his school lunch, to meet your high end, name brand tastes. Thats you. Not me.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Have you been drinking or are you high?

Seriously.

I dont know where you get your prices (garrett turbos do not start at a grand) from but thats total bullshit... I can get a new garrett for less than the cost of 2 of these hunks of ****. Esp. when considering the down time and labor to replace them over and over... now your really not cheaper than a quality turbo, cause time= money on this planet.