kicked25th

Ok, so I got this dyno from a friend who was turbo with an FMU and then switched over to Crome on his setup (Greddy Kit on D16y5) (Green=FMU, Blue/Red=Crome)

He sent me his dynos along with his basemap (y5 basemaps are impossible to find) and I was just wondering if someone can explain why it is so bumpy up top.
He is using OEM wires on NGK bkr7e plugs gapped at .028. and the Dyno is set to smoothing 5.

Assuming this was a 4th gear pull 85mph is about 4000rpm his ignition at 11lbs was 13*

SFWD 1934

If on the top end at 11lbs of boost you have 13 degress of timing, I would say put some more back in it. That is a little aggressive for that amount of boost. Try that, should help smooth that out for you.

Jason

kicked25th

by redline it raises to 16*

SFWD 1934

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Still aggressive.

Jason

kicked25th

what would u recommend?

kicked25th

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Jason</TD></TR></TABLE>

You think I should go above that if I plan on running the same setup?

kicked25th

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by moops vs moors &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">also gap those plugs down to .022-.024, the spark is probably having a hard time jumping that large of a gap at high RPM.</TD></TR></TABLE>

thats extremely low considering I know people running 16+lbs running .025. The dyno is in mph not rpms, the hx has a very long geared tranny. Redline in 4th (7200rpm) is about 105-110 with stock tires.

crucian

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SFWD 1934 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would say put some more back in it. That is a little aggressive for that amount of boost. Try that, should help smooth that out for you.
Jason</TD></TR></TABLE>
Maybe Im misunderstanding something here. Are you saying to put more timing in because it's too agressive how they have it? Isn't that kind of contradicting? I think your statement should say, "Put some back in it, that is conservative for that amount of boost."

gunslinger

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b16hybridsol

18-20 degrees is what most people will run

mike1114

iTrader: (1)

check your ingition setup also. maybe time to replace wires, rotor, cap, plugs....this should help some too.

Pro-Am 1934

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Maybe Im misunderstanding something here. Are you saying to put more timing in because it's too agressive how they have it? Isn't that kind of contradicting? I think your statement should say, "Put some back in it, that is conservative for that amount of boost."</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SFWD 1934 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If on the top end at 11lbs of boost you have 13 degress of timing, I would say put some more back in it. That is a little aggressive for that amount of boost. Try that, should help smooth that out for you.

Jason</TD></TR></TABLE>

I did say that!

Aggressive- More timing taken out at a given amount of boost (11 lbs in this case)
Conservative- Little timing taken out a given amount of boost (11 lbs in this case)

Jason

kicked25th

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Pro-Am 1934 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I did say that!

Aggressive- More timing taken out at a given amount of boost (11 lbs in this case)
Conservative- Little timing taken out a given amount of boost (11 lbs in this case)

Jason</TD></TR></TABLE>

I always thought it was the other way around. heh. Stupid color coding in Crome. So the higher the #, the more conservative. That just seems odd.

kicked25th

any thoughts

locash

Sorry Jason, you're a little backwards on this one.

Agressive in my book = running on the ragged edge of detonation, little to no safety margin.

Conservative, less than optimal timing than necessary for MBT, making less power than you could be.

I prefer to give the motor the minimum amount of timing it needs to make max power, nothing more, nothing less. Some people call this agressive, but I prefer to call it correct.

kicked25th

I think Ima go with him. Adding some more timing might give me a few more hp but Id rather stay conservative at least for now.

Pro-Am 1934

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by locash &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sorry Jason, you're a little backwards on this one.

Agressive in my book = running on the ragged edge of detonation, little to no safety margin.

Conservative, less than optimal timing than necessary for MBT, making less power than you could be.

I prefer to give the motor the minimum amount of timing it needs to make max power, nothing more, nothing less. Some people call this agressive, but I prefer to call it correct.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yea Joe,

I just call it on the opposite end of what you do. But you know what I was trying to say. I don't usually like to get them like that, because when they start detonating like that those sleeves like to "shift" and cause other funky things to happen, like overheating and such. I like to give the more "street" motors just enough to run correct while making a decent amount of power. Especially on pump gas, where you can get a shitty tank of some that may have less ocatane then the last tank, then you start getting pre-ignition.

Jason