<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PK SPEED &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">MSD 2-step plugged into your 6AL w/correct rpm plug to get boost off the line..Anti lag........</TD></TR></TABLE>

Is this a better setup than using the hondata? How is the MSD 2-step activated... momentary switch also?

Also do you have any part numbers for the MSD components??

 

you can hook up a timing retard to come on with your two-step to build boost. that is what we do. with 10 degrees of retard we built over 10lbs with only running 13 lbs. of boost. the thing shoots flames like crazy and sounds like a shot gun going off. Will try turning the boost up to see if it has any effect on the boost being built on the two step next time at the track.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ComputerJLT &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">building boost at idle has NOTHING to do with your EMS. the "2-step" that uberdata and honfuckshit has is not boost making friendly; it cuts fuel not spark. If you wanted to use an EMS to build boost at idle or on launch you'd need some sort of antilag system (not even possible w/ stock honda ignition). I know the autronic w/ DIS can do antilag but not honfucknut or uberdata; unless in the future u can use DIS systems w/ the stock computer.

The way to build boost at idle is to use a small turbo or a ball-bearing ceramic larger turbo; rev and PSHEW goes your bypass valve. my greddy kit'd d16a6 would blow off hard reving the motor; my new setup (built d16z6; big t3/t04e) probably won't blow off at all at idle.</TD></TR></TABLE>
actually my car builds 6psi in neutral with the uber 2step. This is with it set at 6k for launching with slicks though. It feels great off the line

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbosi03 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so your saying the 2 step funtion on hondata or uberdata is NOT a true antilag function? as in ""does not work" or "not a good idea"?? </TD></TR></TABLE>

as LAUNCH CONTROL it works great but its not anti-lag

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SOHC_MShue &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
actually my car builds 6psi in neutral with the uber 2step. This is with it set at 6k for launching with slicks though. It feels great off the line </TD></TR></TABLE>

what size turbo though

 

a tiny tdo4

 

Yes momatary switch I got mine on the shifter and yeah it busts flames and posp loud

 

I can blow my **** off reving to about 4 grand with a T3 and a little 2 liter.


I think dsm bovs have a pretty soft spring?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SOHC_MShue &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">a tiny tdo4 </TD></TR></TABLE>
heh; yea my greddy piece of **** turbo kit would build a few pounds of boost bouncing off 5k launch on ud. my charge pipes sucked so bad it would have been more if they weren't so restrictive

 

so if i were to get the msd setup, i would need:

msd 6al ignition box
msd ignition coil
msd distributor cap
msd 2-step module

and some kind of momentary switch?

what else?

anyone have any wiring diagrams?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by xtremeness101 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so if i were to get the msd setup, i would need:

msd 6al ignition box
msd ignition coil
msd distributor cap
msd 2-step module

and some kind of momentary switch?

what else?

anyone have any wiring diagrams?</TD></TR></TABLE>

All you would need is
msd 6al ignition box
msd 2-step module
monetary switch
plus assorted pills or the two step that has a dial to set the launch RPM.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DOHCarp &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

All you would need is
msd 6al ignition box
msd 2-step module
monetary switch
plus assorted pills or the two step that has a dial to set the launch RPM.</TD></TR></TABLE>

might as well convert to capacitive discharge anyway as you'll fry your distro fairly quick with a 6al/sci box

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ComputerJLT &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

might as well convert to capacitive discharge anyway as you'll fry your distro fairly quick with a 6al/sci box</TD></TR></TABLE>

i dont get it.. so then i shouldnt use the MSD unit and i should just use my hondata funtion?

 

There are better systems out there for two step function than hondata and msd, don't forget all the other traction control devieces too like AVCR (AEM EMS also)

The two I noted above would be my two personal choices unless your going baller like MOTEC or something like that.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by xtremeness101 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

i dont get it.. so then i shouldnt use the MSD unit and i should just use my hondata funtion?</TD></TR></TABLE>
no dohcarp was saying to use the 6al/sci box with the stock coil/distro. msd boxes + stock honda distributors = not happy

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mike1114 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There are better systems out there for two step function than hondata and msd, don't forget all the other traction control devieces too like AVCR (AEM EMS also)

The two I noted above would be my two personal choices unless your going baller like MOTEC or something like that.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well im not going to change my ems because im already using Hondata and have alot of tuneing time with the setup. So now im just trying to get a two step funtion by either by hondata or some other means.

 

guys don't forget that using the kind of 2step that cuts ignition timing isn't good for your turbo. I would only recommend it for a race car.

 

A smaller turbo spools quicker therefore building boost sooner and easily blowing off

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SOHC_MShue &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">guys don't forget that using the kind of 2step that cuts ignition timing isn't good for your turbo. I would only recommend it for a race car. </TD></TR></TABLE>

explain please... The only thing i could think of was maybe raw fuel going through it... ????

 

i think its something about how the timing is retarded so much causing little combustions in the turbo. Definintly not going to help your turbo last long, but if your just using it at the track then it may not be a big deal.

 

Has alot to do with the motor size and turbo size. I have my type S bov set very soft and my D17 with a T3/T4 can barley make it blow off by reving to 6k. just fight the rice and don't blow off at stop lights. lol

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boosted420a &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I can blow my **** off reving to about 4 grand with a T3 and a little 2 liter.

I think dsm bovs have a pretty soft spring?</TD></TR></TABLE>

You don't actually have to make boost to make a DSM BOV blow off. They are open at idle. (They are designed as recirculating BOVs for MAF cars, remember) Mine will hiss when nolt building boost just because the compressor acts as a sort of air inductor.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hyaboosta &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Has alot to do with the motor size and turbo size. I have my type S bov set very soft and my D17 with a T3/T4 can barley make it blow off by reving to 6k. just fight the rice and don't blow off at stop lights. lol</TD></TR></TABLE>

The whole point im trying to accomnplish is not to just blow off at lights but to build boost and launch with a few lbs of boost as compared to just launching under no boost.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ComputerJLT &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
no dohcarp was saying to use the 6al/sci box with the stock coil/distro. msd boxes + stock honda distributors = not happy
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I just gave the bare essentials of what you need to get the 2-step up and running, but yes you really should get a coil. I switched over and have been driving daily with no problems for over a year, and taking it to the track every weekend with absolutly no problems. This was my old setup and my EMS consisted of the hack..got me some 11 second runs under my belt and drove it to the track most of the time.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DOHCarp &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I just gave the bare essentials of what you need to get the 2-step up and running, but yes you really should get a coil. I switched over and have been driving daily with no problems for over a year, and taking it to the track every weekend with absolutly no problems. This was my old setup and my EMS consisted of the hack..got me some 11 second runs under my belt and drove it to the track most of the time.</TD></TR></TABLE>

so youve been using the msd setup and no distributer failure..... my car isnt daily driven anyway but i dont know if i want to be replacing distributers every few months