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Old Jan 24, 2012 | 07:22 PM
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I am building my car back up, I need input on what to do.

Im starting with a stock 96+ ls bottom end. b16 head. 70 trim t3/t4 goautoworks topmount.

Already turbo, but I blew either a ring or ringland. I obviously dont want this to happen again.

Plans:
Stock bore. No Sleeves
Wiseco or Arias low comp pistons. Whatever I find cheaper
Stock rods, shot peened,ARP rod bolts (are eagles worth the extra 250)
ARP head studs
Cometic or Honda head gasket (opinions wanted here)
New Oil pump ?
Any other suggestion while everything is apart? Like head wise or?


Goals
250-300 hp with decent drivability mileage and reliability. It made close to 400 on this setup, but it didnt hold so I am going for a more reasonable goal since I might DD this.
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Old Jan 24, 2012 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ay_billy
I am building my car back up, I need input on what to do.

Im starting with a stock 96+ ls bottom end. b16 head. 70 trim t3/t4 goautoworks topmount.

Already turbo, but I blew either a ring or ringland. I obviously dont want this to happen again.

Plans:
Stock bore. No Sleeves
Wiseco or Arias low comp pistons. Whatever I find cheaper
Stock rods, shot peened,ARP rod bolts (are eagles worth the extra 250)
ARP head studs
Cometic or Honda head gasket (opinions wanted here)
New Oil pump ?
Any other suggestion while everything is apart? Like head wise or?


Goals
250-300 hp with decent drivability mileage and reliability. It made close to 400 on this setup, but it didnt hold so I am going for a more reasonable goal since I might DD this.
arp head studs, oem headgasket
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Old Jan 24, 2012 | 07:57 PM
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If you broke a ringland I would suggest a new tuner.

New OEM oil pump (P72/P73)
Headstuds
Pistons AND rods
OEM bearings
OEM headgasket

350-400hp all day long for years with that block
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Old Jan 24, 2012 | 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by andyKAIZENSPEED
If you broke a ringland I would suggest a new tuner.

New OEM oil pump (P72/P73)
Headstuds
Pistons AND rods
OEM bearings
OEM headgasket

350-400hp all day long for years with that block
GSR oil pump?

Are the rods really needed? Ive never seen a rod break.
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Old Jan 24, 2012 | 08:13 PM
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Go talk to circuit form engine works speak to jimmy tell them Dave with the copper ek9 sent u, this guy is sick in building motors and has one of the best machine shops around. He is in SB off the 215 and the 10 fwy.
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Old Jan 24, 2012 | 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ay_billy
GSR oil pump?

Are the rods really needed? Ive never seen a rod break.
It use to be a type r pump, but they are the same number now.

I would do rods if building a motor. It will fart 350-400hp with no worries.

If you're only going to make 250hp why even rebuild the motor? Just buy a used longblock and make sure to tune it this time.
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Old Jan 25, 2012 | 12:04 AM
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The ealges are worth it. I wouldn't go with expensive pistons, and cheap out on the rods. They are very good insurance.
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Old Jan 25, 2012 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by andyKAIZENSPEED
It use to be a type r pump, but they are the same number now.

I would do rods if building a motor. It will fart 350-400hp with no worries.

If you're only going to make 250hp why even rebuild the motor? Just buy a used longblock and make sure to tune it this time.
Im going to start looking for a good set of rods.
I want it to be reliable.
Everyone I've talked to seem to agree the ringlands were blown due to stock pistons, and no crankcase ventilation. It was tuned by a reputeable shop.

Originally Posted by DirtyDA9
The ealges are worth it. I wouldn't go with expensive pistons, and cheap out on the rods. They are very good insurance.
I ended up with wiseco pistons. I will look for rods
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Old Jan 25, 2012 | 11:54 AM
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Default Re: Budget LSV build- input welcome

Originally Posted by ay_billy
I ended up with wiseco pistons. I will look for rods
good choice, stay above 9.0:1
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Old Jan 25, 2012 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by andyKAIZENSPEED
It use to be a type r pump, but they are the same number now.

I would do rods if building a motor. It will fart 350-400hp with no worries.

If you're only going to make 250hp why even rebuild the motor? Just buy a used longblock and make sure to tune it this time.
When I looked up part numbers, there was no difference between the oil pumps. I read that 96+ integra oil pumps are all the same.
Is that true?
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Old Jan 25, 2012 | 06:32 PM
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Yeah, they are all the same when obd2
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Old Jan 25, 2012 | 07:43 PM
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Thanks. That saves me some coin
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Old Jan 25, 2012 | 08:40 PM
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Make sure u get a water pump and yeah for the little price I would pay for the rods Cuase they will charge to remove and install the piston and you have to machine the rods it all adds up plus you hqve to buy the Arp rod bolts price difference is not to much Cuase if u do need a need rod in the end u will end up spending more money
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Old Jan 25, 2012 | 10:38 PM
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Sorry to ask but, why would you wouldn't want to sleeve the long block?
It would be better just to stay on the safe side, right?
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 06:28 AM
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here's our budget lsv build...
http://www.b20vtec.com/forums/track-...car-build.html
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Joralex
Sorry to ask but, why would you wouldn't want to sleeve the long block?
It would be better just to stay on the safe side, right?
For an LS engine, you don't need it till 450-500hp on boost.
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 01:00 PM
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Default Re: Budget LSV build- input welcome

If you want to boost over 20 psi. Sleeve it @ 84mm
Eagle H beam rods
Arias Racing pistons 9.5:1
ACL STD Bearings
G.E. OEM Head gasket 84mm
Balance the rotating assembly, micro polish crank and check piston wrist pin fit.
''Break in and tuning are key''
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