Ghost_2010

Hows it going guys. I dropped in a turbo around 5 months ago but I'm looking for more power. Heres a list of everything in the the car engine wise:

2000 Civic SIR B16a2 (59 000 km's on stock motor)
AEM fuel Rail
SARD 1:1 Fuel Pressure riser
9.2:1 JE Pistons
Eagle Rods
APR Head Bolts
Greddy Turbo TD05-18G (mitsubishi)
Greddy Large Front Mount Intercooler (Type 24V)
Greddy Evolution Full Cat Back Exhaust
Greddy Peak hold EGT
Greddy Peak hold (Turbo) Boost Guage
HKS Super Sequential Blow off Valve (BOV)
Greddy Turbo Timer
Block Guard
DC Sports Upper Strut Tower Brace
DC Sports Lower Tie Brace
22 mm Type R w/ Mugen brackets Rear Sway
B&M Fuel Pressure Guage
420 cc Injectors
SP Engineering race clutch
Cold plugs


Now I'm running crome (chipped p72 obd1 Ecu)tuned by a local tuner in Scarborough and I'm putting down 225Hp to the wheels and 180lbs of torque. Looking at everyone else's setup i'm confused why i'm not hitting that 300 mark I oh so wish to hit. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for the time.
Ghost~

crxfreak1117

just go get it tuned for more boost that should have been brought up with the tuner askin how much power your wanting to make with your setup it wont be a problem

Ghost_2010

Well he set it at 8 psi and I'm always running 94 OCT. Will i be able to raise it without getting ping/DET?

crxfreak1117

well whenever u raise the boost you need to change timing so it wont det...

Ghost_2010

Oh I know that I'll take it back to the tuners but what I'm asking is do you think its safe to raise boost (with the added fuel to compensate) to something higher. I read of people putting 10psi on stock internals with no DET. I have a fairly built motor and i think i;m running TOO safe. Now this is my DD car so I don't want to go above and beyond here. But i'm asking if I could raise the boost higher and what other parts would be good add ons to the list I have going now.

blinx9900

have a custom 2.5" downpipe made and if you have a cat get rid of it, also turn up the boost to 10psi and retune. that should satisfy your urge for now...

edit: i see you have forged pistons and rods, might as well turbo up the boost to 12psi minimum... and larger injectors might be a good idea but it depends on the tune and how high your revving it, your tuner will let you know i fyou need more fuel...

Ghost_2010

All-right great. So on a setup like mine I could run in the 12-13PSI range? I'm just reading around and people are boosting higher then I am on stock internals. The downpipe I have is 2.5" all-ready I believe. I'll have to check for you. I don't think my top end will struggle with something that big, or should I go to 3"?

As for the cat...I'll have to keep that. The cops are not the best here when it comes to Emissions...Its a magna high-flow so its the next best option I guess.

The injectors are indeed a little small, I got them really cheep so I though I would pick them up. I know it all depends on the tune but with 15psi range, should I be looking in a 650cc set? I mean bigger usually dosent hurt i'f i'm looking for future power, and the tuner can always not use them to there full potential.

As for more fuel, should I look into a stronger/bigger fuel pump. Also is the fuel pump located in a bean shaped plate under the rear passenger seats (2000 SIR) I mean I guess it wont hurt to upgrade the fuel delivery system.

I got heating down as I have a aluminum rad and slim fan on the way. I'm sure this should be more then acceptable.

Anything else you feel I need before I break the bank again at the tuners (looking at around 600$ for 3 hours with him. hopefully he can do it in 2 and I'll only pay 400$)

Thanks guys.

Death_to_Thieves

With a built bottom end and a good tune, you should have NO ISSUES turning the boost up and making more power

bungalo101

I would highly recommend ditching the stock fuel pump ASAP if you are going to be making more power. A $100 walbro is well worth the price of making sure you can get enough fuel to those injectors. Other than that, with what you have it's all in the tune and having a clutch that can hold the wtq without slipping.

Schister66

The two limiting factors on your setup are the fuel injectors and the turbo. The turbo has more power in it, but not a ton. The injectors wont support much more power than they are currently. If you're really looking for more power (since the bottom end can easily manage), i would suggest an upgrade of those parts and a retune.

spoolin turbo s

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the only thing on the downpipe that will restrict you is if its small there is no such thing as a dowmpipe or exhaust that is to big on a boosted setup

Cigarbufff

Whos tuning ur car...is it teknotik?

D_koschak

my theory on your problem for you running more power, first of all get a walboro 255 cost is $100, get bigger injectors i run 1600cc on e85 on 15 psi 1600cc's are about $275 for the set, and get a boost controller or a bigger wastegate spring and get tuned, i would recommend a new turbo as well but your turbo should be fine for more power i would recommend a 30/40r you will fall in love with that turbo and with those mods u can be pushing ruffly about 350-375whp


Modified by D_koschak at 11:06 AM 9/23/2008

blinx9900

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by D_koschak &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my theory on your problem for you running more power, first of all get a walboro 255 cost is $100, get bigger injectors i run 1600cc on e85 on 15 psi 1600cc's are about $275 for the set, and get a boost controller or a bigger wastegate spring and get tuned, i would recommend a new turbo as well but your turbo should be fine for more power i would recommend a 30/40r you will fall in love with that turbo and with those mods u can be pushing ruffly about 350-375whp


Modified by D_koschak at 11:06 AM 9/23/2008</TD></TR></TABLE>

are you crazy? you think this guy needs 1600cc's and a 30/40?? 750cc and a 3076r would be much more appropriate for that power level...

yakuza

Lolz, x 2 ... 1600cc injectors is way over doing it. You're idle will be a nightmare and tunning them will take forever. Stick to anything between 440 and 1000cc @ the most. Use an injector calculator and then get a slightly bigger injectors incase you want to up your power goals in the future ..

Ghost_2010

Well I'm going to be keeping my turbo for now as I am running a greddyB Electronic boost controller and i have to keep the **** for low boost at zero for it to run at 8psi.

I'll look into a walboro 255 fuel pump. How hard is it to swap it out? anyone have a link with a step by step? As well as if anyone is selling one around me? Let me know.

1600cc is absolutely nuts. I'm just going to pick up a pair of 650cc rc's off of ebay. I know they have to be swapped if i'm looking to get into the HP range I want.

My downpipe is 2.5" i checked today. wouldn't hurt to go for a 3" but thats something down the road.

I am running a stage 4 SP clutch so I should'nt see any slippage at the range i'm looking at.

I heard that cam gears wouldnt hurt but then people say the 16's are not to bad. I would rather not drop an extra 300$ on a set plus the extra hour in the tuner.

Yup, I get it tuned by Nick at the Tek. He's great on crome and thats the management I want to stick with but you happen to know of anyone equally as good for a cheeper cost?

Thanks guys for the info- this site really performs.

blinx9900

you dont need cam gears and the 16" wheels are fine. About the downpipe, the problem with the Greddy ones are that the bottleneck down to about 1.75" where it connects to the cat/exhuast. Check yours again underneath the car and see if it does that.

Ghost_2010

That i will defiantly do, if it does drop down to that tight, i'll defiantly get that fixed. I was also talking about the 16's cams (b16 that is) I hear the the stock b16 cams are somewhat good.

As for the downpipe should I head over to a muffler shop or something? Where would I be able to get that pipe done for me. I do have a hand pipe bender, is it so difficult that I couldn't do it myself?

blinx9900

if you indeed have a downpipe with a 2.5" ID but it necks down then it would be as easy as cutting off the outlet flange and replacing it with a 2.5" one, a reputable muffler shop should have no problems doing that. If you need to have a whole new DP made make sure you go to a shop with a mandrel bender...

The b16 cams are great, Honda's generally have large cams from the factory when compared to other cars but you would still see gains if you stepped up to say itr/ctr cams...

nh0nie

my setup goes something like this,

Eagle rods
JE pistons 9:2:1 comp
completely stock B16 head
t3/t4 57trim .63A/R
log manifold
2in piping on hotside to 2.25 on cold *cheap out on old setup*

It was tuned on crome
made 335@17psi

if i made that much you should be able too!

SD_Lurker

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ghost_2010 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well I'm going to be keeping my turbo for now as I am running a greddyB Electronic boost controller and i have to keep the **** for low boost at zero for it to run at 8psi.

I'll look into a walboro 255 fuel pump. How hard is it to swap it out? anyone have a link with a step by step? As well as if anyone is selling one around me? Let me know.

1600cc is absolutely nuts. I'm just going to pick up a pair of 650cc rc's off of ebay. I know they have to be swapped if i'm looking to get into the HP range I want.

My downpipe is 2.5" i checked today. wouldn't hurt to go for a 3" but thats something down the road.

I am running a stage 4 SP clutch so I should'nt see any slippage at the range i'm looking at.

I heard that cam gears wouldnt hurt but then people say the 16's are not to bad. I would rather not drop an extra 300$ on a set plus the extra hour in the tuner.

Yup, I get it tuned by Nick at the Tek. He's great on crome and thats the management I want to stick with but you happen to know of anyone equally as good for a cheeper cost?

Thanks guys for the info- this site really performs.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sorry to say this but looking into a fuel pump is not even negotiable. If you have a boosted Honda you need the proper fuel setup, no questions asked. The 2 most important things about a boosted Honda is fuel and a proper tune. You can use the best of everything but if you lack a proper fuel system your destine to fail.

As stated before, your bottom end is built to handle boost. You should invest in bigger injectors and a fuel pump (its not hard to install just time consuming). Greddy downpipes are very restrictive so going bigger or a true 2.5 DP will only benifit you. With the proper fuel system you have room to grow so you might wanna keep that in mind when choosing injector size. Whomever stated 1600cc's made me LOL. Its not needed, not by a long shot.

Ghost_2010

Allright guys so the pump and injectors will be bought very soon. Will 650cc be good? I'll look for a step by step for the fuel pump aswell, can anyone recommend one?

I'll look into the downpipe. See if the tuners sell one for my civic, if not i'll head over to a muffler shop. Now I would rather not replace the DP but if its a must to run the range i'm looking for, i'll look into it. I do have 3" piping on the cold side so I'll be fine to cover there.

Silly question, When I got my car, the engine was all-ready block guarded. What exactly is this and were is it located?

LastGenEK

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Silly question, When I got my car, the engine was all-ready block guarded. What exactly is this and were is it located?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Its inside the motor, search on honda-tech.com theres lots on here obout them!

TnC

try switching to a larger turbo and enlarge your exhaust if you haven't..... if not, try GSR cams ohh and raise the boost a tad bit since you've got some internals done

Ghost_2010

i have a 3" exhaust from the 2" DP so i'll be fine. As for the turbo it will be staying and i'll just max that out. I should be able to push 15-18 psi out of that hairdryer.

By dropping in 650cc and a 255lb fuel pump, what do you thing the hp range i'll be able to hit with a new tune?