well to start off i've got a 99 sir. i bought a greddy turbo kit for the car and also a greddy front mount and a greddy type rs BOV. i've got lots of answers for everyone to help with so beware. now first off i want more power. i'm currently at only 6 psi which is what the kits comes with. i'm looking at 9-10 psi for now. now to get it tuned properly i need to get the timing harness for the greddy e-manage with the kit. the harness is only $50.00 so it's not much. now should i just get the harness along with a boost controller and continue with the e-manage or should i bite the bullet and get hondata? most people are gonna say hondata but i've been using e-manage for 5 months now and haven't had one bit of trouble so i'm tempted to just get the harness and get it re-tuned. i'm trying to get my costs down but i also don't want to jeopardize my motor. say i was to get hondata how hard is it to install? does it simple just pop into my exsisting ECU or do i have to send my ECU away?

now onto the motor part. if i'm gonna be running 9-10 psi should i look at pulling the motor apart and doing some internal work. most people are gonna say yes but if i really don't need i'm not going to. most people have been telling me just simply do headgasket and head studs but would that be sufficient enough?

as of right now what i'm looking at ordering is a higher flow fuel pump, bigger injectors, timing harness for e-manage, head gasket, head studs and a re tuned.

if anyone can give me some advice it would GREATLY appreciate. also i would prefer if people who have actually been in the same sorta situation before commented on this

 

cliffs?

 

Cliffs: obd2 b16, greddy kit/emanage, doesn't know a thing about other ems's.

Hondata for OBD2 cars is basicly an OBD1 ecu+S300 with an OBD2 connector. AFAIK it still won't pass emissions if they hook to your data port. Other ems's like crome/ectune/netpune use the same obd1 ecu and an adapter harness. In general it will make your car run smoother, make more power per PSI, be safer with more boost, and get you better gas milage. With the better ems's, you can also set boost level by gear, which can help with traction. It depends on the tuner, just like always.

9-10psi on that turbo won't require any motor mods. However 15psi and over will require mods to the turbo itself. Others that have tuned many greddy kits say 250-300whp is about the most you'll get w/o changing a lot of things.

 

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thanks, ok so it sounds like guy wants to turn up boost and upgrade ems but stay legal with the greddy kit, well no cop is going to scan your OBD2 port at the scene so you just need to keep your stock ecu and emanage that came with thekit for when you go do your smog/state inspection, other than that Hiprofile is right on everything he said, you do have some other options that will allow you to keep your OBD2 computer but they are not popular and they are not too cost effective, like e manage ultimate or AEM FIC.

in short: i would just upgrade your EMS to like an s300 or similar but keep your stock ecu and emanage for whenever you do emissions testing.

 

okay so from what i'm reading if i do injectors, fuel pump, head gasket and head studs and hondata s3000 i should be good to go? how much does s3000 cost and also what all is there as far as installation? when i get hondata s3000 does it come with everything i need or do i still need to get more stuff such as adapters etc.

 

bump

 

anyone? comments? more help the better

 

all your questions really can be answered by searching, i'm sorry but please search, that's the purpose of the red button...

 

i tried before i even posted this thread. another reason why i posted this thread was because not even build is the same and i'm not looking to make 500+ WHP like lots of people.

 

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omg ok, but your killing me smalls!

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its s300 not s3000! price varies on s300 but you can check hondata.com to start. Installation is a s simple as unplugging the factory ecu and installing the new one equipped with the s300. You will most likely need an adapter for what ever year obd your car is to obd1, if your car is us spec 99 civic you need an obd2b to obd1 jumper harness.

 

okay so that is the price? that's fine. s300 comes with a brand new ecu? i thought it was just a chip you put into the ecu? my car is a 99 civic SiR. therfore it's the Canadian version not the US. s300 comes ready to connect to an ODB1 right? what type is a 99 civic SiR. thank you for finally giving me some answers. this is all i was asking for.

 

http://www.phearable.net/shopp....html

http://www.xenocron.com/catalog/s300-p-240.html

 

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the price on the website? yes thats the price no matter where you go, there is no real discount on them. They are about $600 and you have to provide your OWN ecu.

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yes hondata is plug and play for obd1. unfortunately i don't know what obd your 99 CDM civic is however if it is the same as our USDM 99/00 civic SI then your car is obd2b

 

okay sounds good. what's the easiest way to figure out if i got odb1 or 2? should it say right on the ECU?

 

No, it depends on the ecu connector, which depends on year.

Civics:
pre-92: OBD0
92-95: OBD1
96-98: OBD2a
99-00: OBD2b

Conversion harness: http://www.boomslang.us/obd2to1.htm

S300 requires an OBD1 ecu, for you a P28/P30/P72 or a P05/P06 with vtec added. You can also spend a LOT more and get a drop-in S300 setup (still needs a tune), meaning it has the ecu with the right connector.


You should REALLY look through all the topics in the FAQ. Basicly all you've asked is within the FAQ.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/1024174

 

could you possibly give me a link as to where i can buy s300 already installed into an ECU with the right connecter to. i'd like to buy it already installed. i'm horrible at wiring but i do have someone who can tune it all i just would like it to be all ready to go just need it to be connected and tuned.

 

you officially get the laziest guy of the year award! i give up, i answer your questions and you continue to ask them in a slightly different way... good bye!

 

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What he's saying is that there is no wiring required. You would use a conversion harness from OBD2b-OB1 from Boomslang.

Take the numbers on your ECU - 37820-P72-.A02 (or whatever the last 3 numbers are and google the number. You will find what your year will correspond. Canada/USA almost have the same oem standards (my shop is by the border to Canada), so 99.9% sure you are OBD2B.

Now start working.

 

okay so how exactly does the s300 mount inside the stock ecu? i thought it had to be wired or something? i'm using e-manage right now and i had to splice my stock ecu wires to get it to work. first time doing s300 and no one has actually told me exactly how they work and what exactly you have to do once you order it and recieve it.

 

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Are you serious?.......... I already gave you the links four posts up. Do you not read <U>your own</U> thread.

 

you're links DO NOT tell me answers to my questions. WHAT is hondata? is it a chip that simple pops into the STOCK ECU or does it plug into the STOCK ECU? you're links tell me how to get hondata. not what EXACTLY hondata is. like i said i'm using e-manage which is a piggyback not a stand alone. my first time using something other than a piggyback.

 

below is an exact quote from the second link I gave you.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> The s300 is a plug in module to the factory Honda Engine Computer (ECU) which vastly expands the capabilities of the factory ECU. Forced induction, datalogging, real time updating of parameters, engine protection are but a few of the s300 features.

Note that there is a rectangular frame ECU version of the s300 and a square frame ECU version (JDM). s300/s300j Pricing and Options

Features

Main features:

* * Fits inside the ECU
* * Made in USA
* * Built on the proven s100/s200 code base
* * USB connection for speed and compatibility
* * SManager Windows based software for parameter & table editing, calibration uploading and datalogging.
* * Real-time updating of ECU
* * Built in calibrations for common engine combinations
* * Built in datalogging to a laptop
* * On board datalogging memory (2 MB memory, 20-60 minutes datalogging)
* * Adjustment for different sized injectors, with overall fuel trim.
* * Configurable for any MAP sensor (to at 5 Bar and above)
* * TPS based table lookup for ITBs
* * Engine protection from over boost.
* * Expanded fuel and ignition tables, both in rpm and load, to 60 lbs boost and 11,000 rpm (these are not the upper limits)
* * Launch control with anti-lag
* * Full throttle shift
* * Three multi purpose outputs for nitrous control or similar
* * Supports lambda tracing from a wideband o2
* * PWM output for boost control
* * Dual tables for high/low octane calibrations etc.
* * Two analog inputs for wideband, EGTs etc.

SManager editing software features:

* * High and low speed 24 x 20 ignition and fuel tables for correct VTEC tuning
* * Injector size fuel trim
* * Fuel trim for starting, throttle tip in and individual cylinder trim
* * Rev limiter with fuel cut or fuel and ignition cut
* * Launch control with anti-lag
* * Full throttle shift
* * Adjustable VTEC window with load and throttle control
* * Secondary intake runner control
* * Adjustable idle speed
* * MAP sensor type and calibration
* * Adjustable boost cut with hot and cold settings
* * Shift light
* * Closed loop control
* * Air temperature compensation
* * Water temperature compensation
* * Fuel and ignition correction based on gear
* * A/C shutoff conditions
* * Closed loop
* * Three general purpose outputs for nitrous control, quad boost control or similar
* * On board datalogging trigger conditions

The s300 uses different connecting pins in the ECU from the s100/s200, and also has a slot cut in the side for the USB connector, so the ECU must be modified for use with the s300. The s300 is made to fit in a full frame ECU case (US and most markets), so will not fit in a JDM ECU case. </TD></TR></TABLE>

That covers a vast majority of what it is and the fact at the bottom it tells you that you need to have the ECU modified to have S300 installed. YOU really didnt read anything and if you needed more I would have thought common sense would have kicked in and went to http://www.hondata.com

Sorry to be rude but if you want help, dont ask the same questions over and over when people have already gave you the answers and you don't want to read or do any research.

 

okay sorry i'm an idiot. i did read that but i still didn't understand if it was a chip or what. now how hard is it to install? remember now this is my first time. could i get it done in couple hours? i've got my parts ordered other than hondata cause i wanted to clear this all up before i ordered it.

 

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it just plugs in to the factory wire harness brp, that's what plug and play means... it would take about 5 minutes if you really took your time. as far as installing the actual s300 module into the computer box, well that part is best left to a professional. here is what you need to do:

-buy one of the ecu's listed on hondata.com that is compatible with s300
-buy an s300
-take both to a hondata dealer who can put the two together for you
-pay the money
-pick up your new ecu when its ready
-drive to a dyno
-unplug your oem ecu
-plug in new ecu and start tuning.

or you buy a p28 with s300 already installed in it from nearly any hondata dealer, the dealer list can be found on there website.

 

my best bet would be to buy one already installed. just e-mailed the closest speedshop to me that was on the dealer page. is p28 the model of ECU i have? i should be able to get the odb 2 to odb 1 harness from them also right?