Tony, maybe you can answer my question posted above. Regarding a stepped-deck and copper o-ring, is it possible/viable to use both? Just a theoretical question, thanks.

 

Mike, I was told by GE that all of their blocks have the raised deck. Therefore the copper o-ring and raised deck will work fine. That's what they told me, maybe it's changed. You know how that is.

 

Lack or knowledge and good engine building practices has ruined more than one project. Unfortunately, the manufacturer of the parts gets the blame for problems, when the owner, and "tuner" simply didn't understand what he was buying. The "tuner" sounds like a typical "parts swapper" to me.

 

Buddy, your block shoulda came back from GE and went straight to the machine shop, where it was machined to your spec. that you had planned out ahead of time.

Obviously, it came back and your "Tuner" went with the 'slap it on' approach and now your on here, all butt-hurt.

This motor needs to be checked over by a competant machinist and machined if necessary.

Suprdave

 

What does that mean, not decked enough? Really need more info to answer your question.
This sounds to me like your "tuner" is stumped and trying to pass the buck to someone else.

 

...while in the meantime having you buy all these "extra" parts to fix "his" mistake.

Oh when will the madness stop?...

 

wouldn you be saying "their" mistake instead of "his" if you intended to critcize me ? All this stuff about my "tuner" really makes no difference to me, I just asked for a simple solution. If I can ill get him to post here...

 

Just to follow up on this guys, one of the sleeves is .0003 of an inch too high in the corner, where its leaking. The reason why my mechanic or "tuner" as I had put it is upset is that Golden Eagle informed him that all we needed to do when the car came back was check the align bore and it would be good to go, but obviously its not.

 

make sure the shop floor is perfectly level. that can make one of the outer cylinders seem higher.

 

hmm, never thought about that....But then what would cause the block to leak right at that corner ?

 

man...Ge blocks com with two options...o-ring or step deck. in this market...consumers really need to educate themselves, otherwise you are really flying blind. even to protct themselves from their own shops. it sounds liek most if not all of these problems had nothing to do with GE...more to do with ignorance and inexperience....

 

Sounds like me...

I dont have the O rings so is my deck stepped?




[Modified by niedejb, 7:48 PM 12/11/2002]

 

Is step decking neccassary? stock honda blocks come without o-rings and withought a step deck. Why not just flatten it out and go with the oem bored out headgasket.

 

Well, OEM is fine too....FOR STOCK HP LEVELS!

Add about 15-20+psi of boost and you'll need all the sealing advantages you can get. Trust them on this...


[Modified by Prelude_RCR, 6:28 PM 12/11/2002]

 

I am not sure who is f-ing this forum up more, the people who post without searching or the people who get up on their high horses and jump down other people throats for nothing.

GE has had issues with the stepping of their decks. They recently changed the stepping process to fix problems many people (including myself) are having with coolant leaks and gradual overheating.

It's not this guys fault or his tuner, and just cause he cant build a motor himself there is no need to insult him. We all started somewhere...

 

people run 20psi on oem blocks and headgasket all the time. Also, darton blocks are not step decked or o-ringed, they are just flat. Right?

 

Finally, someone who can be considerate and look at things from a different aspect....

 

Is the sleeve too high or the corner of the block too high? I'm not sure how you could even measure three TEN thousandths of an inch. That little amount of variance could easily be taken up by the head gasket crush. Are you leaking compression or fluids? If fluids, just use a copper spray on the gasket and it will seal that kind of a leak. Use some Barr's Leak also.
Not to take sides but so far you have not posted anything to confirm that GE did anything wrong. It still souns like your builder/tuner's problem.

 

bars leak...isnt that supposed to keep the sleeves from not rusting ?

 

Wow, all the time huh? Then we *the guys who are resleeved, etc* must have wasted our money since everyone else is doing so well with OEM stuff. What were we thinking? Geez!

 

wow, why dont you go ahead and blow that out of context. Im just trying to understand the different decking techniques. Many people on here have been boosting stock blocks, and making more than stock horsepower, and it holds together. As far as i know, Darton does not step deck or o-ring. How are they getting away with it?


[Modified by h0mesk1let, 10:22 AM 12/12/2002]

 

I've got to tell you, you are driving me crazy and this is my last attempt to help you. From your answer it's obvious you believe everything that GE's says. LOOK AT THE NAME. It is Barrs LEAK. GE tell you to put it in to stop rusting. It has nothing to do with rusting. It's a STOP LEAK for these very problems.
I'm sorry you are way to inexperienced to be involved in your project. You have received lots of good advice on this string and instead of taking it, thinking about it and learning from it, you think you know better than everyone else. If you think you have problems now, wait until you start tuning and melting parts. That will be someone elses fault also. I'm done.

 

We had the same problem. I sent out a block to ge to be sleeved and o-ring and that it. Well we get it back and trusting GE we put it together, then the motor burns water really bad. Come to find of the sleeves are higer than the block in 2 diffrent places. NO it is not steped it is just off. In 2 weird locations at that. The easy fix for use was to just take the block to our machinest and have him mill the block a TINY bit, just enoguh to get a level playing field. Them I said what the hell he might as well check out the cyl walls too. come to find out the 2 center cyls were not True and they were crooked in the block. So we bored it out a bit and he honed it. then we had to get new pistons to match the new cly diameter. Then after all this the head now his the pistons dut to the lip the edyne pistons have on the side of them sticks about the block surface, (due to the milling process). And the fix for that? we had to get a 60 thousanths cosmetic head gasket to clear the head.

 

This is a good thread for some education.

After reading throught this post Ive gathered there are two main types of Deck setups. Stepped deck and Milled deck (flush)?

What are the differences between the two, as well as pros/cons in the engine building world?

 

as far as i know, a flush deck it were the whole deack surface and sleeves are all flush so they seal get setup but some people do not like it due to the less clamping force on the seal. A steped deck is when the cly's are raised just a bit to add extra clamping force to the gasket/head aslo a good setup the the sleeves better all stick up the same amount or there will be leaks. O-ring is the same idea as steped but an oring is insetred to add the extra froce to the seal.
corect me if im wrong here



[Modified by turboex, 6:07 PM 12/12/2002]