allmotor_dm

I WANNA HEAR FROM U GUYS THAT ARE TURBO OR ALL MOTOR ABOUT A BLOCK GUARD.......... ARE THEY GOOD OR BAD CUZ SOME PEOPLE SAY THAT THEY CAUSE HEATING PROBLEM AND SOME SAY THAT THERE A LIFE SAVER SO I WANNA KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT IT

HondaHead211

i have a block guard on my turbo car running 12 lbs and i do just fine

onemanlan

Devcon it.

turbotime

this has been covered a thousand times. SEARCH.

blockguards are good. people who speak against them usually have no experience with them and are just talking out their ***.

I have yet to see 1 scenario where a blockguard caused damage/overheating

Dunc

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbotime &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">this has been covered a thousand times. SEARCH.

blockguards are good. people who speak against them usually have no experience with them and are just talking out their ***.

I have yet to see 1 scenario where a blockguard caused damage/overheating</TD></TR></TABLE>

Probably true....but also true is that they aren't really needed as stock sleeves alone have proven themselves quite extensively.

Benjithx

I used a BG and it distorted my cylinders, So I had Benson Sleeve it. Much better

Don't use one, Its not worth it

beerbongskickass

http://forums.evans-tuning.com/viewtopic.php?t=389

http://forums.evans-tuning.com...=1376

"Blockguards are honestly a total waste of money."

"Moral of the story, if the engine is built with the proper clearances, good internals (pistons/rods/oem bearings/etc) and the tuning is conservative with good quality parts there is no reason to sleeve a block or use a block guard."

b20turbojason

most block guards will distort the cylinders and most engine builders will tell you that they need to be bored when the block guard is installed

Dartanian

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b20turbojason &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">most block guards will distort the cylinders and most engine builders will tell you that they need to be bored when the block guard is installed</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes they do, because retards try and tap the block guard on with a mallet with the engine still in the car. What do you expect when you do something idiotic like that?

turbotime

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Das Schmoo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes they do, because retards try and tap the block guard on with a mallet with the engine still in the car. What do you expect when you do something idiotic like that?</TD></TR></TABLE>

exactly, improper installation is the cause of 99% of the blockguard issues.<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by beerbongskickass &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">http://forums.evans-tuning.com/viewtopic.php?t=389

http://forums.evans-tuning.com...=1376

"Blockguards are honestly a total waste of money."

"Moral of the story, if the engine is built with the proper clearances, good internals (pistons/rods/oem bearings/etc) and the tuning is conservative with good quality parts there is no reason to sleeve a block or use a block guard."</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes we know jeff evans position on block guards. He also states sleeving is unecessary as well if properly tuned.

Everyone has their opinions. I just know that my blockguard saved my block when it dropped a valve.

$100 is cheap insurance imho.

beerbongskickass

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbotime &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I just know that my blockguard saved my block when it dropped a valve.</TD></TR></TABLE>

How did the block guard help you?

turbotime

i dropped 2 valves and instead of them exiting through the side of the sleeve, or cracking the sleeve at all, they just ruined all my pistons, and head

but the block was spared, whereas without the gaurd im sure the sleeves would have at least cracked.

Needless to say the sleeves will need to be bored and honed before the next build.

some carnage (forged internals, build head):

splitime

Uh... I seriously doubt that blockguard helped you there... people drop valves all the time and have the exact same damage as you

I run a guard... in a D because I wish to improve the horizontal strength of the sleeves, ie: prevent shifting and HG issues.

I did not install it for reinforcing the sleeves from detonation or a bad tune....

turbotime

yeah the purpose of the guard is to prevent shifting at high boost/rpms.

But in my case it "may" have save the sleeve from cracking, although i know my case is NOT its intended scenario.

yeah i dont think it will save you in cases of detaintion or a bad tune. those are just death warrants for your engine

beerbongskickass

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbotime &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i dropped 2 valves and instead of them exiting through the side of the sleeve, or cracking the sleeve at all, they just ruined all my pistons, and head

but the block was spared, whereas without the gaurd im sure the sleeves would have at least cracked.
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Sleeves crack because of detonation and the extreme cylinder pressure it creates. If there is enough pressure to crack a sleeve, a block guard isn't going to help. Sleeves are going to shift at high rpms no matter what, but it's not enough to crack the sleeve. Tuning will help though.

turbotime

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by beerbongskickass &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Tuning will help though. </TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah i agree tuning has a lot to do with it. But when you are on stock sleeves a lil upper reinforcement couldnt hurt right? unless you install the thing wrong

allmotor_dm

yo turbotime thanks for that pic that must of suck when it happen

hey ur from rochester i got family over there and i wanna know where are the street races at i'm going there in the spiring time and i wanted to know where they race at

splitime

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by allmotor_dm &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yo turbotime thanks for that pic that must of suck when it happen

hey ur from rochester i got family over there and i wanna know where are the street races at i'm going there in the spiring time and i wanted to know where they race at </TD></TR></TABLE>

Hold on, lemme look up the street closest to the local police station....

apex_genius

so there good if you install proper...

install block guard then bore or hone cilinder walls...
cause my machine shop ask me if i want one he said he has install alot of them on b20 and no problems at all it is a reputable machine shop it call ace motors on riverside jurupa ave... my question is for road racing what you guys think? b20vtec rs pistons itr cams etc

wantboost

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The thread is 8 years old..... really?

it's long been proven that blockguards are useless. they do nothing but restrict coolant flow. none of them fit properly anyways and even honing after they are installed doesn't change the fact that most of them deform the cylinders

NotARaCist

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8 year old thread bump

CSS block guards, I've seen some good things about, but in general, sleeves are a bad idea.

Turbo-LS

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Let it Die !

apex_genius

like the phoenix from the ashes lol well guess im telling him not to install it
thanks

Schister66

CSS is the only thing i would do apart from fully sleeving it.

I was reading through and realized this thread was ancient when i read the post by Beerbongskickass...haven't seen him around here in ages