abnaasefmb

I took my old *** ef out to the track tonight with only the hopes of breaking into 13’s
Not even close. My best run in the car to date is 14.00 @ 102.5 that was with a b16 and 75 shot of NOZZZ. I threw that **** away and put in a gt2871r b16 running crome with a duel stage boost controller. Because it’s a stock block I have low boost at 6psi and high boost at 8psi. I tuned it with a wideband o2. in boost it has a pretty smooth transition from 12.00 @ .4psi to 11.60@ 4-8psi. at 8psi at 8000 rpm the duty cycle on the 450cc injectors is at 90%. I have the timing pretty conservative 18* at 7.5 psi.
First run
RT .752
60ft 2.325
1/8et 9.618
1/8mph 80.66
1/4et 14.66
1/4mph 98.44

Second run
RT .897
60ft 2.324
1/8et 9.552
1/8mph 81.11
1/4et 14.50
1/4mph 99.58

the second run I was lined up against a eclipse with blue glowy light under it, thank god I bet him, I would have had to hang myself if I had lost.
I did a pretty good burn out, they were 205/50/15 falken azines. They spun at launch, but I thought the turbo would power through the top end. But nothing. The car feels really fast on the street and I pulled all over a lightly moded 350z the other day, but the numbers don’t lie! Full details and pics are in my sig. Any thoughts? Too conservative on the timing? Help, I’m gonna go nail gun a huge ******* wing to my roof it the only solution.

soon2beB00stedSOL

damn man, that sux! I'm goin turbo, so I'd like to know too, so I can avoid similar problems.

Bspec18

you need to work on your 60ft times. Also you can boost up to 10 psi as long as your block is still good, try a compression and leakdown test to see if its safe.

Boosted2K

man, get that thing on a dyno and tune it up to around 275-285whp.

Keep the timing conservative, get some drag radials and more track time.

I think you'll be happy

hondaguyef

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bspec18 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also you can boost up to 10 psi as long as your block is still good</TD></TR></TABLE>

PSI is irrelevant when speaking of the HP limits of the shortblock.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by abnaasefmb &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> at 8psi at 8000 rpm the duty cycle on the 450cc injectors is at 90%.
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Your trap speed is not reflecting 450's @ 90% duty cycle (HP wise). I would imagine the gt28 would be making at least 200whp @ 6psi on the B16 which would produce about 103-104mph traps. With you only trapping 99mph I'd guesstimate only about 170whp is being made. Possible boost leak? Something just doesn't seem right.

Phil

DaveF

im going to have to agree with Phil on this one. are you sure there isnt a boost leak somewhere? those are times you should be trapping with a relatively stock swap.(not the mph, but the e.t)

how much air pressure were you running in your tires ? you really need to work on getting your car "out of the hole" 2.3 60ft is horrible. try launching a bit lower, and also, preload the drivetrain, hopefully you wont spin as much this way.

goodluck with your car.

ccivic

I ran a 13.5@106 on Proxes4 @ ~20psi. T3 turbo@.6bar on stock ls motor in 97 civic ex. something is definitely wrong there. Although, I'm not going to agree with the guys that say you need to improve your 60', as my 60' was also 2.3+. (here's my timeslip http://www.cincystreetscene.co...75649)

I'd have to agree with you have a boost leak somewhere. Search on how to make a pressure tester for your charge pipes. Also.. I didn't see anywhere what size exhaust you were running. If you aren't running 3", that could be the problem as well.

abnaasefmb

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hondaguyef &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

PSI is irrelevant when speaking of the HP limits of the shortblock.

Your trap speed is not reflecting 450's @ 90% duty cycle (HP wise). I would imagine the gt28 would be making at least 200whp @ 6psi on the B16 which would produce about 103-104mph traps. With you only trapping 99mph I'd guesstimate only about 170whp is being made. Possible boost leak? Something just doesn't seem right.

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yeah i totaly agree i'm taking the psi readings off my laptop right from the map sensor. i konw the 60ft time suck *** the track here is is kinda shitty, street tires 22psi two step @3800 and the wheels spin. the tranny is a jdm ys1 lsd from an integra xsi if that helps.

Dr. D-Series

13.7 on a non vtec d15 on 7psi-8 creep. 42?48 t3. 102.9 trap.
In a 97 Ex FOUR DOOR.

Something isnt right with your car.

abnaasefmb

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ccivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I ran a 13.5@106 on Proxes4 @ ~20psi. T3 turbo@.6bar on stock ls motor in 97 civic ex. something is definitely wrong there. Although, I'm not going to agree with the guys that say you need to improve your 60', as my 60' was also 2.3+. (here's my timeslip http://www.cincystreetscene.co...75649)

I'd have to agree with you have a boost leak somewhere. Search on how to make a pressure tester for your charge pipes. Also.. I didn't see anywhere what size exhaust you were running. If you aren't running 3", that could be the problem as well.</TD></TR></TABLE>
2.5" no cat

0morgan@synapse motorsport

is there a dyno near you, not even to tune, just throw it on for 60 bucks and find out how much power your making

Quad-Damage

60ft 2.324

need to get them down man those are 13 second traps

get some bfg drag radails and come back and show the track whatsup

BoostedEG6

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hahahahaha thats a good one....... where he lives he is going to pay ATLEAST 110 an hour..... there are two shops that have dyno's near you. there is Endless garage which I would highly recomend and then there is Hypersports which is near aloha towers.....

Another reason why your car isnt doing as good as it should is due to the SHITTY *** track that your running on..... Brandon from Endless garage with the gold EK that was making around 700whp couldnt run faster than 10.8 (maybe faster) and that was on slicks

I would also reccomand running a different tire on the track also..... I wouldnt be heart broken just yet... keep going at it and everything will be all good...... I use to run my car at that track so I know your pain. trust me....

ccivic

Exhaust is holding you back some, but I would still think you should be able to break into the 13's.

coneheadsracing

Did you ever try not to do a burn out with those tires. I wouldn't heat up street tires personaly. I think your car is fine, those are good trap speeds, but you need to get your launch better, and thats further then your 60 ft.

I have an eg with a turbo D. My first time to the strip with it, i was around 8-10 psi, and i was running anywhere from a 13.5 - 14.00 at around 100 and change. I was turning 2.3 60's with some 1.89's occasionaly. Thats with khumo 712's. I would drive around the water box, and do a small spin of the tires up to the line just to clean them up. I later upped my boost to 15psi, and was still pulling the same 60's and i ran a best of a 13.003 and a 13.004 at 109mph. So, like i said i feel your car is fine, you have the trap speeds, but you need the launches and shifts to be better. Drag radials would likely be easier, but thats a personaly opinion whether you want those or to be on street tires. What do you launch at, i know a lot of NA honda guys launch high, i don't feel that is necessarly a good idea with boost. I usualy launch around 3-4. For me its a fine line between perfect, and bogging or spinning. Keep practicing, and i think you'll get your times down to your trap speeds.

grubere

1) 18* of Ignition timing at 8psi is pretty conservative. You are probably losing about 20whp easily because of the ultra conservative ignition retard.

2) Dont go by the duty cycle calcs. They arent exactly accurate.

3) Pressure test EVERY part of your intake system. You probably have a leak.

4) Don't look at his ETs. Ignore them. Look at his MPH. He's only trapping 98-99mph. There is something wrong with his power production.

I Have an STD

dood, my na b16 in an ef ran 14.8 youre doing ALOT of things wrong

hondaguyef

.<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by coneheadsracing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I think your car is fine, those are good trap speeds</TD></TR></TABLE>

No they are not. This is a B16 not your Turbo'd D. He definately has a problem. On 9psi from a Tiny *** T3(.48/.42) I made 220whp and trapped 110mph on a bone stock LS. The B16 has a much better head design and should produce much better numbers.

abnaasefmb,

Please check for boost leaks and report back. You must identify your lack of/loss of power issue before you can worry about E.T. and your driving skills.

Phil

4potnick

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by abnaasefmb &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah i totaly agree i'm taking the psi readings off my laptop right from the map sensor. i konw the 60ft time suck *** the track here is is kinda shitty, street tires 22psi two step @3800 and the wheels spin. the tranny is a jdm ys1 lsd from an integra xsi if that helps. </TD></TR></TABLE> first problem is your driving. With a lsd ys1 tranny and a 2-step and you pull 2.3 60's. Stock b17 with ys1(open diff) I pull 2.1 60ft. get your 60 down to a 2.0 and you'll probally knock of .5 seconds. first get some proper tuning and LEARN HOW TO DRIVE.

urbansi

As for all this discussion on 60' times the equation is: For every tenth you take off you 60' you will also shave 2 tenths off your ET.

There is no reason why a stock suspension'ed honda cant do sub 2.0 60's with the right launch. I Have learned that at the track Honda's love to have the clutch slipped, just dropping the clutch isnt smart for our cars.

In my 99 SI with full interior/subs/etc, stock suspension, BFG 17in drag radials, 2-step set at 4500 and still bogging off the line i hit a 2.01 60'. With my Greddy kit at 8psi i ran a 13.60 @99.6. Car was street tuned then dyno'ed only making 214.5hp.

adseguy

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by abnaasefmb &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have the timing pretty conservative 18* at 7.5 psi.

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That's your problem right there. 18* for that PSI is WAY conservative considering you start at around 28* at 0psi you can get away with 20*+ prolly, but check your plugs or do it on a dyno

abnaasefmb

THANKS everyone, especially the ones with the “you sux, looser” I know it’s been about a year since I’ve been on the track and I was driving all shitty, the first run was really bad I spun and shifted way to early. The second run was better I was calmer waited for the shift light, but either way the traps should have been better.
I made a new map in crome I just took a p30 ignition map and retarded the boost portion .75* per. I pulled the plugs (just put them in that morning) they looked clean nothing on the porcelain (I know your supposed to do it right after the pull but I didn’t have the chance)
I data logged the runs and looked at them, they looked fine A/F ratio was on, shifts were pretty quick, I did notice the boost dropped a little around 7000 rpm . I launched on low boost, shifted hit the second stage. Boost went to 8 psi and then dropped at about 7000 to like 7.5-7psi.
Here’s what I’m going to do.
Compression test
New plug wires(I know it has nothing to do with it but I have new ones)
Double check all my charge pipes
I already added timing
Learn to drive
Add neon lights

Dyno time is really expensive here in Hawaii, and it doesn’t help that I’m making three house payments right now thanks to the army and a weak market. I’m in Hawaii, wife is in Virginia and the house were trying to sell is in North Carolina (join the army, see the world hahahaa) so I’m tuning with crome, wideband and reading the plugs. I have a b16 in the corner of my garage I plan on building and boosting, so this stock one is temporary until funds permit. If someone want to look at my bins pm me and I’ll email them to you.
Thanks again for the help!

JDMRice

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by I Have an STD &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">dood, my na b16 in an ef ran 14.8 youre doing ALOT of things wrong</TD></TR></TABLE>
14.6 here, on bald snow tires.Open header, stock b16. Hvae time slip.

marmo

just FYI

on street tires you only need to burnout for a few seconds to clean the tire's surface of rocks and **** you don't want to heat them like slicks, on street tires you're just wasting rubber.

abnaasefmb

its the tranny, i'm on the freeway today and i accually look to se how fast and at what rpm 70mph @3700 tall gears and big tires. i dynoed my car a long time ago with just a b16 and it was putting down 154whp and the car would only run around 15.3 same tranny. so thats my guess