SiRkid

i know ..
like I said before a b18b with a b16, or itr tranny will not beat a b16 with same tranny..not happening..
from import review

dont know how well tuned this is...but whatever..as far as I can see from 5200-8 the torque is flat as can be and **** looks pretty good. seems a bit low but even so i dont see an LS on 7 psi making that kind of power.
gsr and drag 3

?low

anyways... just some sheets I found quickly.
I really wonder where all this hatred towards the b16 has come from all of a sudden. as i said (in this post)...seems like its one of those HT fads now.
stock for stock.. I know im faster than any stock LS..turbo. I aim to keep it that way



[Modified by SiRkid, 4:28 AM 2/12/2003]

UberTeg

I've always hated b16's My hatred isnt a fad

glagola1

I had an SiR trany on my b18 with 10psi and it was ******* stupid. I put down 240hp and 227ft-lbs but I had a hard time keeping up with a type R swap in the exact same car (94Si hatch). There was so much wheel spin and no time between shifts. Dumb, just dumb. On the interstate it was a completely different story though. When traction wasn't an issue, I had it all the way.

Lucky for me the third gear synchro died and I found a GSR tranny. Much, much better. It's a little longer but it's still quickish. I don't think a LS tranny would be all that good.

SiRkid

why hate?
it is a MUCH better engineered product that the b18b is thats for damn skippy.



[Modified by SiRkid, 5:13 AM 2/12/2003]

boosted hybrid

The b16a is a better engineered engine, period. The b18b is a bit more turbo friendly out of the box. The b16a will make better horsepower numbers. The b18b will make better torque numbers. Both engines are very capable of making serious horsepower. I have run both engines, in stock and internally built forms. Both are fast when set-up and tuned properly. The b18b would be a more daily driver friendly engine with its torque right away, while the b16a engine would yield higher hp numbers for those who like traction. For the money, I'd still take a built d16 engine for a daily driver. Makes a good balance of torque and horsepower, and fully built costs the same as a b-series swap.

Smashback

My last post on this retarded *** thread.

Who gives a ****, go work on your car or something. I want to know why I can't get my ******* ball joint apart from the a arm right now.

Bring'um to the races this summer and we can see some good results. I'll be running a stock b18b longblock with GSR tranny...who has a stock B16 longblock w/turbo????

RyanAutry

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Smashback

Yeah you don't count cause I bet you ain't gonna drive all the way out here

Besides, if we go to Kennedale (closest track, 1/8th mile) I don't think you'll make it into VTEC

Seriously, I can't wait to go-a racin' with the dohc. Couple of months maybe...us TX guys need to go out. We can stop fighting with each other, and invite the veedub guys out

RyanAutry

Bench racin' it is then.

0h82lose

Hey guys this is stuff most of you know already but here is a link explaining some stuff. http://www.indysol.com/resource/turbo.html

hondaeg5

really sorry to beat this to death guys,but i was wondering-what about a b16 longblock w/gsr trans? would this be better than running a straight b16 w/boost?

EpDarks

I've noticed Honda-Tech has turned into an all out B16 hate fest.

But why?

People with B18C's think they own the world that is why.

First the B18C owners bash the B16, then the B18B, even the D16 owners bash the B16.

Anyways...

Granted for every day driving, torque is a good thing. In racing, it's almost 100% useless.

Why should I want my peak torque at 3-4k when I'm hitting redline in every gear? I don't. I want my peak power in the high RPM, where I race in.

Point is: B16's are under-rated x 592038.

Midwestrider

HAHAHAAH that made me laugh cause the way you comment on going to work on "your" car..
I would work on my car but too damn cold outside here





[Modified by Midwestrider, 10:13 PM 2/12/2003]

JeremyL

Granted for every day driving, torque is a good thing. In racing, it's almost 100% useless

hmmm maybe a tad exaggerated

explain this a B18C5 equipped Integra in stock trim will run high 14's, the same vehicle with a stock trim H22A4 will run high 13's both motors make 195hp

i wonder why the difference in time?

Nine

You guys are acting so ****** gay about all this!

This, like most everything else in life, is all relative. Some people look for different qualities in there engines then others. My car weighs less than 2020lbs with me in it. That means low/mid range torque isnt a that great a thing. Thats the reason I am getting rid of my JRSC.. its hard to get traction on street tires. Thats also why I picked the b16. The lack of torque makes it easier to grip. At the same time, some of you heavier cars might not have this problem and might benefit from the torque more than I could similar to the domestics.

As Tony1 said, for most turbo'ed applications that put out less than 300whp, the b18a/b might be better and more cost efficient, but even the most stubborn of you crackers must realize, that if you go much higher than that, the b16's high rpm capabilities edge out the b18a/b in potential and hp figures. With the larger turbos come more lag and a high rpm is needed to balance this out.

Of course, as many of you said, an lsvtec or b18c will stomp both no matter how you look at it but the rest of this argument is stupid because it depends on too many factors. Although a lot of you are talking out of your asses, an equal number is stating facts but dont realize that there can be two truthes depending on the rest of the application.

Thats my .02

Smashback

I think he just ******* called us "crackers".

Did you come over here from the VW board?

That was a joke BTW, this is not. If you have a traction problem, why don't you fix it. Slicks and an LSD are a better solution to a traction problem than buying a motor because it takes longer to reach peak output

Sorry man, but a lot of people on this board are talking out of their *** and just plain don't make sense.

I promise, I'll try to make this my last post in this thread. I hope this thread will eventually die a painful death at the hands of backup tape.


[Modified by Hatchblack, 4:39 AM 2/13/2003]

Lastgsr

Why you blaming B18c owners?

leave us outta this fight...

HuskerHybrid

according to Riemann the B18 is what you want.

Stu

I always listen to guys with beards. And glasses to boot.

SiRkid

i guess it more boom for boomer.
you guys can buy your b18b's... itll leave more b16's for me!
i like having my little piece of history .

Nine

Sorry to keep this one going but in my defense I have a Quaife LSD and slicks aren't very street friendly. Still no traction, though I concede that I have other motivations in my switch from JRSC to turbo. Sorry 'bout the cracker comment.

Full-Race Geoff

Ive built both. On the track, the b16 car was faster.

On the street the b18b car was 30 times more fun.

Id take an LS, for if no other reason, theyre cheap as hell. And my stock LS motor ran low 12s, for a pretty long time.

bretx0r

b16a sux *** anyways, so kill 2 birds with one stone and go faster with a turbo LS, and not have a B16

SiBirdie

LSVTEC TURBO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Like somone say already.. you get best of both worlds. Faster spool up time due to the b18b block and higher redline with the b16 or gsr head. Get a gsr gridle or z10 gridle if u worried about the crank vibration. I dont know but I wouldn't care if I boost a ls or a b16. Both set up with still make power...

hatchback

Just wanted to say, Great post!! This is helping me with my decision on if I should stay with boosting a b18b..