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What would you rather get if you could not modify the block? WHY??

ahobbs

MaD Ve-tech-nical HOmmie

greekspeed

we should have a moderator on here just post the BvsC poll every weak as sticky so people new to the bored dont waste their time

i admit im relativly new to this boared as well, but man these posts are starting to look old even for me....

oh well....... kills time i guess.

mskibbz-T

The sleeved block of course

b20_ed

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mskibbz-T &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The sleeved block of course </TD></TR></TABLE>

definetly.

99integralsturbo

B18B all the way i love the simplicityof NON-VTEC

SiRkid

? since when is vtec not simple? lol

99integralsturbo

well without VTEC, there is just one less thing that could go wrong plus the stock compression ratio on the b18b is less than the b18c which makes it better for boost. i know that all u VTEC junkies out there arent gonna change and im not trying to convert anyone just giving my opinion

Short Round

i just like the fact that if u drop a valve or blow up the motor, ls's are adime a dozen while vtec's are more expensive and in demand

used ls head ~ 100-200 bucks

used vtec head - 500 +

rioninja

Didnt you know? The new fad on honda-tech now is to hate vtec.

The most common reason given is that its one less thing to break.
I dont know about anyone else, but youd almost have a better chance
of getting hit by lightning than having a "vtec malfunction".

mskibbz-T

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 99integralsturbo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well without VTEC, there is just one less thing that could go wrong plus the stock compression ratio on the b18b is less than the b18c which makes it better for boost. i know that all u VTEC junkies out there arent gonna change and im not trying to convert anyone just giving my opinion</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ummm, both blocks are getting forged internals so the stock compression ratio is irrelevant.

99integralsturbo

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rioninja &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Didnt you know? The new fad on honda-tech now is to hate vtec.

The most common reason given is that its one less thing to break.
I dont know about anyone else, but youd almost have a better chance
of getting hit by lightning than having a "vtec malfunction".
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VTEC is great for all motor in my opinion, theres no questioning that. However i dont see its importance that much for turbo applications. i wasnt saying that vtec is bad and no im not hating on VTEC

rioninja

I dont think anyone is going to argue that a B18c1 will make much more hp per psi than an LS.

If you like HP, go with the B18c1.
If you want easier tuning, go with an LS.

slammed_93_hatch

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rioninja &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Didnt you know? The new fad on honda-tech now is to hate vtec.

The most common reason given is that its one less thing to break.
I dont know about anyone else, but youd almost have a better chance
of getting hit by lightning than having a "vtec malfunction".
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dude thats just lame people buy a motor on there budget and what they want, personally i like ls power in my hatch and ls power over all some people like spade love d series some people like, n2o and some like NA its personal preferance not not a fuckn fad

Tofurky

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 99integralsturbo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well without VTEC, there is just one less thing that could go wrong</TD></TR></TABLE>

What do you mean? How often does VTEC break? lol...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 99integralsturbo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">plus the stock compression ratio on the b18b is less than the b18c</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yep, which just means that the B18C1 will produce more power with less boost.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 99integralsturbo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">which makes it better for boost. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Since when is less power better?

mskibbz-T

I think a few of you are forgetting that we are debating over a sleeved and built B18B or a just rods/pistons B18C1. I would take the sleeved B18B any day over the B18C1, it has more potential for power due to being sleeved and most likely .2L larger. Compression does not come into the equation as the pistons are being replaced in either setup.

Tofurky

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mskibbz-T &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think a few of you are forgetting that we are debating over a sleeved and built B18B or a just rods/pistons B18C1. I would take the sleeved B18B any day over the B18C1, it has more potential for power due to being sleeved and most likely .2L larger. Compression does not come into the equation as the pistons are being replaced in either setup. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Hell yeah I'd take a sleeved B18B over a stock sleeved B18C1

rioninja

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slammed_93_hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">dude thats just lame people buy a motor on there budget and what they want, personally i like ls power in my hatch and ls power over all some people like spade love d series some people like, n2o and some like NA its personal preferance not not a fuckn fad</TD></TR></TABLE>

No, it [i]is[i] a fad. Of course the LS is cheaper,
but the common "vtec sucks" quotes are just stupid.

mskibbz-T

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No, it [i]is[i] a fad. Of course the LS is cheaper,
but the common "vtec sucks" quotes are just stupid. </TD></TR></TABLE>

LOL and VTEC isn't?

rioninja

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mskibbz-T &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
LOL and VTEC isn't? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah, im sure honda came up vtec to be "cool".
I didnt know horsepower was a fad now too.

CheezeFrog

I chose B18C1, but now that I think about it... if you ever wanted to upgrade either engine, slapping on a VTEC head onto the B18B is more simple than sleeving the B18C1.

mskibbz-T

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rioninja &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Yeah, im sure honda came up vtec to be "cool".
I didnt know horsepower was a fad now too.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not my point, but I know how you perceived my comment, I guess I wasn't really clear. VTEC is a nice thing to have, not only for VTEC, but for the better flowing and all around better designed head. I was referring to all the kids that think VTEC is everything, you know who I am talkin about, the kids that talk about VTECH y0 VTEC stickers everywhere on their cars, in their posts, etc... It may be functional, but I still consider it a fad because of all the bandwagon kids that don't really understand it or even capitalize on it properly. Kids that buy VAFC to lower the VTEC activation point, despite only losing HP... those kids. To them, VTEC is a fad IMHO. I would love to have a B18C1 instead of my B18B, but for my goals it just isn't necessary, and it would be stupid with an LS tranny anyways. Sorry, I'm rambling

tegasaurus

I'd take the b18c with pistons, rods, and a lower compression head gasket.

The difference between those 2 setups (sleeved/internals b18b vs internals b18c) isn't that one is sleeved and the other isn't, its that the b18c can flow a whole helluva lot more with its head.

If your poll stated the following [then i'd choose the b18b]:
Lots of head work, sleeved, any pistons, any rods b18b
Stock head, any pistons, any rods in a b18c

**** vtec and **** vtec haters. Its not the cam change over, or that crazy loud noise that comes at around 4500rpm that gives you power; and its not the "simplicity of tuning" or the "likelyhood that something WON'T go wrong" that makes power... its the fact that one head (vtec head) flows 10x better.

<U>Turbo power is made with head flow, not with vtec.</U>

rioninja

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mskibbz-T &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Not my point, but I know how you perceived my comment, I guess I wasn't really clear. VTEC is a nice thing to have, not only for VTEC, but for the better flowing and all around better designed head. I was referring to all the kids that think VTEC is everything, you know who I am talkin about, the kids that talk about VTECH y0 VTEC stickers everywhere on their cars, in their posts, etc... It may be functional, but I still consider it a fad because of all the bandwagon kids that don't really understand it or even capitalize on it properly. Kids that buy VAFC to lower the VTEC activation point, despite only losing HP... those kids. To them, VTEC is a fad IMHO. I would love to have a B18C1 instead of my B18B, but for my goals it just isn't necessary, and it would be stupid with an LS tranny anyways. Sorry, I'm rambling </TD></TR></TABLE>
In that case, i agree with you 100%

pissedoffsol

VTEC aside, the b18c is a stronger block, with a girldle, oil squiters, and better "spinning" geometry.

heads vs heads is a differen't ball game all together.