Hi from South Africa...again,
Those who may remember my previous posts would have seen some of my part list already. My car is a 1999 4 door Civic Sedan, with it's original B16. Included in the list below are the additions to my part list:

-Vtec head with Supertec valvetrain, turbo spec.
-Will be sleeving my block & boring for 84mm pistons, i.e. 1750L
-84mm Wiseco pistons.
-Eagle rods.
-GSR Cams.
-STR Cam gears.
-ATI damper pulley.
-Clutch Net clutch.
-ACL race bearings.
-ITR girdle, sump & pickup, with extended bolts.
-Baffle plate.
-ARP head studs.
-Cometic headgasket
-Avid Racing engine mounts.
-880cc Precision injectors.
-Snow performance boost cooler.
-AEM fuel rail & regulator.
-Custom large plenum Intake.
-Twin Walbro 255lph fuel pumps.
-180i gearbox with Quaiff LSD diff.
-Manual Boost Controller.
-Tial wastegate.
-GReddy DV.
-Precision SC32 Turbo.
-Ramhorn manifold.
-Intercooler.
-Oil cooler.
-Oil catch tank.
-New OEM oil & waterpumps.
-Ingalls Torque Damper
-Skunk2 front & rear upper swaybars. (need to get front & rear lower, & also want extended balljoints)
-Tein Control Master Type Flex coilovers with EDFC.
-Diktator management.
-Modified dizzy.
-76mm exhaust.
- Piping
-Aluminum radiator (Mishimoto rep.)

My goal is 450/500whp, revving to 9500/10000rpm.

The Questions:
-Has anybody else here gone the 1750L route, & what were the results?
-Do I need a damper. I was told to get an ATI damper by my tuner, & it is what most guys use locally, vs Flidamper. If I need it, what is the correct part number & price please? I can't seem to find it.

 

you can run stock damper for 500whp range, your not going to make power that high in the rpm range with gsr cams. dont have a set goal for rpm, tune it on the dyno and when the power flattens out stop reving. with gsr cams and your turbo your going to be reving to 8200-8500 tops

 

Yes, I already figured that the cams & turbo may be the limiting factors. What cams will make power in that rpm range? The idea is to capitalise on the b16's ability to rev. I will get the cams & perhaps a larger turbo at a later stage.

In terms of the damper, my tuner was adamant about getting one, especially if reving to or past 9500rpm will be an eventuality. So any idea on the ATI part number & perhaps an idea on price?

 

some arteficial boost creep does wonders

just run it on the dyno and see where it stops making power and add some boost up top to keep the torque alive.

damper is a smart move, stock damper can go a long way, especially on a b16 (10k is a breeze for that little bugger) but ati damper is cheap insurance for an expensive motor!!!

 

I've pretty much decided on an ATI damper. A friend who imports parts as a part-time business gave me a price of $500. I just need to make certain, based on correct part numbers, that he actually brings in the correct street spec ATI damper, & the correct 84mm wiseco turbo pistons.

 

Hi guys, more advice please:

I have updated my parts list to include a few additions.

I have another decision to make. when I ordered my ramhorn manifold from a friend who imports parts, a while back, I specified A/C compatible & of a high quality. Below is what I recieved....





For one, this is definately not A/C compatible & the quality seems passable, although I am no expert, but is it good enough to hold high boost? It cost me around $470.



Another friend bought a turboed car & this is what he may consider swapping for my ramhorn because he does not need A/C & will be running low boost...





Now, I know that these cast manifolds don't flow as well as ramhorns, but is it worth swapping or will I lose too much power as a result. I want a strong car even on low boost with pump fuel. My other option MAY be to copy the design & make my own A/C compatible ramhorn, using this one as a template.

Opinions?

 

The edlebrock is made for internal wastegate, and won't work. The 1st one you showed will work, provided you get another turbo entirely. SC32 won't make even close to that power level

 

You know, I thought my eyes were deceiving me when I could not figure out where the wastegate fitted.

The SC32 is rated to 480hp, but I was told by a Honda builder that Hondas are more efficient than most motors & will see reasonably close to the turbos rated hp at the wheels. This guy owns & builds 10 sec cars, but it does not mean he is right.

I guess I will just have to push it to its limits & see what happens. Can't afford to upgrade now.

The Edelbrock is out then. What about the ramhorns A/c compatability & quality?

 

Hey buddy,
i own a b1750 turbo ballade(4 door civic), is your car going to be a road car or track, i made 316whp on .9 bar and the car was still b16 ,it was difficult to drive on the roads ,
currently i make 182wkw and just under 300nm thats on 0.8 bar.. ifyor in Gauteng let me know and we can maybe meet up ,share some Idea's

btw my car was built by Ian(owens performance) good friend of Marco who i think you refered to

 

No. That will not make 500whp. The 480hp is rated to the crank and doesn't account for the 15%-18% driveline loss. Its the same turbo as the common T3/T04E 50 trim with 75mm exducer at only 48lbs/min. Sorry man, but the turbo can't do 500whp, no matter what engine you through it on, be it 4cyl or 8cyl.

 

I'm in Durban unfortunately, but pm me your details and we can talk. I was actually refering to Riaan. Let's face it, for his age the guy REALLY knows his stuff. He did tell me I would be pushing the turbo to its limits.

So you have a b16 sleeved for 84mm pistons? My old setup with stock internals, a spacer on the head, an auxillary rotary injector, tiny intercooler and TDO4E Mitsubishi turbo did almost 200wkw at 0.9bar.

BTW, my new build is going to be done by Ian. I've heard he is every bit as good as Marco and a damned good guy to deal with.

 

I know it's rates flywheel power, but I am banking on the premise that manufacturers always underrate their products and although the turbo theoretically produces around 360whp, I'm hoping for a little over 400.

 

Don't bank on it. You would just lose the money in the vault. The SC32 is a 50 trim w/ 75mm exducer. 400whp can be made, but at over 20-22psi of pressure. After 24psi of pressure, that turbo is done.

 

Sigh.....I believe you. back to the drawingboard on this then.....

 

I don't think you have to go back to the full beginning, just think a bit more about the fact that turbocharger ratings and listings are "optimally" rated, and not "realistically" rated. Look more to what you're trying to achieve (in terms of the cars purpose) and go from there. A power goal helps in the decision, but the turbo isn't the only piece of hardware that needs to be considered.

 

Thanks for the advice man. Much appreciated. I need another piece of advice. Stroker kits. Check this:







Eagle crank. Eagle rods and high cr 84mm SRP forged pistons. No block.
Strokes your B16 to a b20.
Parts are used.

Above is as the guy posted for sale on a local forum.

It's an Eagle stroker kit. I've really tried but I can't seem to find substantial info. It's a na kit for sale, which means I will have to find turbo pistons. I know it won't make more power on this setup, but it will when I go bigger later. I don't want to change the original block in my car as it would be difficult to get the car registered with a modified motor locally, so this will be a good bet. Question is, is it safe for boost, what will the capacity change to and where can I get forged turbo pistons?

Does anybody know where I can find the specs for the kit?

 

Unfortunately, an account is required to see the JPEG images for that forum.

 

Sorry!! I have amended my previous post with pics. Have a look please....

 

Bump for any specs or info......or opinions......