I have a 92 cx hb with a b16 sir2 swap in it. The head is done up. I was looking around thinkin about turbo and i saw an article about somone putting a stock awd turbo eclipse turbo on a b16. is this possible? if so what manifold is used and do any taps need to be made to run oil/coolant through it? its internally waste gated i think. i was just lookin to get tuned on 5 lbs and see what happens.

 

youi can use, the gsx manifold it will bolt right on

 

cool.i have everything but the manifold. i have piping,intercooler,310cc injectors,aem fuel rail,b&n fuel pressure regulator,vafc2, p28 chipped ecu,turbo. am i missing anything? will i have to run coolant and oil lines to the turbo?

 

Don't listen to this guy ^^^^ . The turbo that your talking about is a T25 and it would probably be dumb to put it on because it would choke off the exhaust. I would suggest going with a bigger turbo such as a T3/T4, and utilize an external wastegate. You can't lower the boost on an internal wastegate unless you modify the wastegate arm. The stock wastegate on a t25 opens around 8 psi FYI also. The exhaust manifold from a mitsubishi WILL NOT work on a Honda of any kind.

-Dan

 

you don't need to run coolant lines but you will need to run oil lines. You won't need a VAFC if you have a chipped ecu, and you're also going to need to have a downpipe fabricated.

-Dan

 

i was talking to one of my older friends who has a talon that runs 8's and he said it would work. im not looking for anymore than a 5lb street tune. thats y im going with that stock small turbo.

 

You can get anything to "work" but what your going to have to do is ghetto fab something for a wastegate arm and then get an adapter plate made for whatever manifold that your going to use. 5lbs of boost on a small turbo won't make as much horse power as 5 lbs on a bigger turbo. Anybody that actually knows a thing about boosting a B16 would never recommend a T25 to you. plus a t25 really doesn't have any potential down the road.

 

yeah. i know. but i got it all for free. thats why i was wondering. and they make manifolds for those turbos to bolt right up to the b16. they are 175.00

 

You will not be happy w/ a T25 turbo. I used to have one on my B16A. It was a SR20DET T25. It worked OK, but it dies flat on it's face at 6K RPMs.. Not to mention, it doens't put out much power. On the brighter side of things, it IS fun to drive. I would at least get a T3..

 

DSM manifolds need some bolt holes modified a bit to fit h-series iirc. No go on a b16.

The 14b eclipse turbo won't be that bad, but you wont have it pulling like a bitch in heat at redline. You will have crazy response/quick spool though. Just run 15+ psi to compensate. Either that, or get a 60trim T3. Pulls nicely to redline, and 8psi is good for 250whp on a b16.

As for the internal wastegate, why would you want to turn boost below 6-8psi? Modulate the throttle a bit, and you're fine.

 

Remember to tell your friend that A DSM motor is not a HONDA motor. Different characteristics mean a different turbo.

And always remember..... "Free" is never really "FREE". You'll pay for it in many other ways sooner or later..

 

well i have seen person after person blow up in my town after a couple months when they take it past 10 lbs of boost on a stock honda bottom end. thats why i am looking to just run like 6 lbs max and see what happens. my head is already built and i have walboro fuel pump,310cc inj,intercooler,vafc. i only have 400 dollars and i need 100 to get tuned. so if you know another turbo and manifold that is cheap, please inform me.

 

just dont waste your time with the t25 look for the 14b (both dsm turbos)

 

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A: They may be blowing them up consistently due to 1: improper installation, 2: improper tuning 3: improper attitude worrying about turning boost up and not checking what turbo they are using, and just think that their car will run properly by just getting anything that MAY work, like yourself...

B: 6psi on one turbo is not 6psi on ALL turbos. Power is based upon CFM flow not psi pressure. You're thinking MUST change, or no matter what you do, or you'll wind up like your friends in town with blown motors.

C: Get this 400 dollar budget out of your head right now. Don't buy anything. Save.. Research... Ask the pros and other people here about turbos, managment, tuning, and setups. There is a WEALTH of knowledge here, but you MUST get out of your head that this is going to be reliable, cheap, and fast all at once.

D: You are not a DSM. Stop thinking of turbos as though you ARE a DSM. They have different characteristics, engine setups, and CFM rates. 6psi can still blow your car up, if not done correctly.

 

i have a 14b on my ls civic and the car runs 12's .. and i made it all spending about 500 on everything. pulls nicely .. no lag either.

 

what mods did u have to do to make it fit?

 

bump

 

this would be a fun quick response turbo setup, but like everybody else said it will be lacking on the topend

sell the vafc since you have a chipped ECU you wont need it and that extra cash will help

check out jg-fab.com ... James could make you a manifold with a B16 head flange and a 14B turbo flange = bingo

I'd just run 8lbs and not worry about it as long as you get it tuned although those injectors might max out quickly.

 

i got a muetek manifold and since the flanges were pretty close i just welded them together.. works great for me .

 

any pictures ?

 

yeah. it would be nice to see some pics of any b16 with eclipse turbo setups. feel free to post um. i wouldnt wanna weld um together though. just my opinion.

 

ill have some by tonight.. i dont like welding it either but it works and it was cheap so i did it.. if i ever have to change the turbo i can grind it off or just buy another mani..

 

An 18g mistsu turbo would be nice for your mild application it has the ability to flow like 450cfms maybe a little more.

 

alright cool. pics would be nice.

cool. i will have to look into that turbo also.right now i have a 92 cx hb with b16 sir2. dc 4:1 ceramic header,port polished & matched head with bored IM and TB,type r dual valve springs, titanium retainers with new keepers,ctr intake cam with itr jdm exaust cam,short ram,and a p28 chipped with vafc2. i was thinking about all motor but then i started researching turbo and thought it would be a nice new change.

 

why do you have a chipped p28 and a VAFC...whats the point?