This theroy is lame.

"if you want to make more power, don't, because you won't be able to put it to the ground"..

Invest a little in your suspension and some decent tires along with things like LSD and you have somewhat of a cure for your high hp issues. It doesn't matter HOW you slice it. FWD is going to have traction issues with much anything past 200whp on the streets. Thats just the way it is. From a higher mph roll though that 600hp car is going to chew the **** out of your 350whp B16. Thats all there is to it.

 

yeah i think im just gonna go gsr
i drove my freinds si yesterday and i dont like the b16 they are slow as hell lol
and i really dont feel like having to build a ls or b20

 

If the SI was stock and N/A then yeah, its nothing too impressive. B16's require lots of revs just to keep up with traffic. Thats just the way it is when you aren't making power until 7k

A stock LS or B20 will make good power. Don't assume you have to build something in order to make good power. There are many stock LS's in the 300whp range and some over if you check out the LS-T thread. B20's aren't bad engines either. Many people bitch about the sleeves but I think it has a lot to do with the tune and how far they are pushed. Advantage is LS and B20's are cheap as hell. If I could get away with it here in California I would run the B20. Instead I have a B18B since I have to play somewhat legally.

 

the majority of engine stabilization is in the tune, as long as his engine is stable (a/f right, no knocking, no early detonation, etc) then the b20 will be just fine. there are PLENTY of raced out honda's that have been bored to 84MM, and i dont hear about them breaking down a lot.

yes there are some people out there that just buy an ebay turbo kit and slap it on their car and get an extra 20-30 HP out of it safely. anyone who is serious about their motor though builds the block. also the compression ratio between a b16/gsr/ls motor isnt all that much. b16s are 10.4:1, GSR is 10:1, and LS is 9.2:1. so if your going pure stock motor then the LS would be the most stable.

thats plain retarded and doesnt make any sense at all. so your saying that if you slap ANY turbo on a b16, its automatically 350 HP and if you slap ANY turbo on a GSR its automatically 600 HP? i think if you had a 350 HP b16 and a 350 HP GSR in the same type of shell the gsr would win simply because it has more displacement and more torque starting off.

 

Here's my bone stock ls motor, no vtec, dyno graph on I believe 21lbs on a t3/t4 .57trim. For a comparison to go off of.

 

Your opinion is lame because most of the races is light to light and most of all who races on freeways from a roll,How gay,What good do you get out of that when you can just kill people out of the hole.

 

Nice huge run on scentence/rant. Now keep feeling good with your light to light 20 foot races. I'll stick to my highway rolls.

 

https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...ight=b16+turbo

refer to this post. ignore all the ignorant posts with no info backing them. the whole point is on a STREET CAR a b16 setup would be better. Darrell is right but he just doesnt have the info to back his argument. i watch 2 guys here in jax with 260-270 whp b16 eg hatches leave all sorts of cars behind. new gto's, 400whp supra, 410whp 300zxtt. think about it logically. street tires and basic suspension arent gonna handle high hp on fwd. if you wanna go the route of building a track car with full suspension and slick w/e thats fine go with the bigger motor. i personally love my 390whp b16. i get better traction than i did in my gsr at 347whp.

 

Well, in my opinion, building a high hp FWD WITHOUT doing suspension is just un-intelligent. You have half the puzzle, so yeah, its going to have setbacks. The higher hp/higher tq engine though is still going to be capable of accelerating quicker then the lower hp/lower tq engine given the same vehicle weight and gearing. Comparing a high hp FWD to something like a supra or a GTO is apples to oranges. Those cars weigh a good deal more, so they are going to take more hp/tq then a 2,300lbs little hatch to run the same times. I see the point that he is trying to make, but I think its not a very logical one. Why build something only to do it "half assed"? You see my point?

 

i definitely see your point but some people turbo there car and thats it. it really takes alot of work to get a high hp car to hook right. not many people on the street have the money to make it work. thats why everyone does highway rolls. dude here in jax had a 556whp gsr. it was very sick. hunted busas down on the highway. on the track even on slicks he was only in the high 12's though. building every aspect of a car can get really expensive thats why i like b16s. it takes alot less for the car to handle the power because of the low tq. of course the higher displacement setup would be ideal its just the $$$.

 

Use a b16 reason why i say a b16 because it has a shorter stroke then the gsr the gst has a long stroke and its puttin the engine to more stress with turbo also use a b16 tranny case with gsr gears reason why i say that because a b16 tranny is stronger then a gsr but gsr has longer gears....there u go jus gave u some good *** advice gl with ur build