BlueShadow

Hey Everybody,

I was wondering, did any of you install your EMS prior to installing your turbo, and using it as sort of a VAFC? I was thinking about installing the EMS without the turbo and mess around with the EMS' features and to improve my fuel maps a little to get a few extra horses.

dbman96

I think it's very smart in fact to learn how to use the EMS before you turbocharge the car. Gives you some time to play with all the mapping before you are at any real risk of blowing your engine (not that there is NO risk... you screw up bad enough and you can still fry your engine without boost) but it's a lot more forgiving and you'll be a lot less frustrated when you get your turbo in place; it will just take that much less time before you're all tuned and ready to go.

b18bturbo

talk to joe he did ... wild rice his sn on here now...

falcongsr

i did. i highly recommend it.

Mase

same here

BlueShadow

Cool thanks for the input guys...Wild Rice, did you make up your own maps from scratch or did you use somebody elses and just tweak it a little?

thanks

EDIT: I think I'm gonna use a base map for stock F22 from the EMS site, JP says it's the best one they have for a stock H22.



[Modified by BlueShadow, 1:30 PM 1/30/2003]

Mase

yeah joe, tell us tell us


just put it this way, starting from stratch would a be a complete pain in the ***

falcongsr

BS:

for timing: i used the timing maps out of a stock honda ECU for my engine as a reference.

for fuel: automapping.

Mase

Here comes more questions.....

SiRkid

i did for a while.. good for learning

integra-modder

whats required to install the EMS? is it pure plug and play, pull ECU out and stick EMS in? no other leads to hook up?

b18bturbo

it plug and play for all motor turbo need to wire in the map sensor and thats about it.

Muckman

iTrader: (2)

along a similar note: Im planning my turbo project on my GSR. I originally was going to go with the standard route of a a V-AFC and a ACR Boost controller to optimize my FI setup. But I had decided my future plans would include some kind of standalone either Hondata or AEM EMS.

Should I just skip the Boost and fuel controller and go straight to the standalone? I know the EMS can do pretty much everything I need - fuel, boost controller, even launch control. Keep in mine Im completely new to tuning and all this. Im a little intimidated by the standalones.

integra-modder

whats the stock honda ecu map? is it avaliable from the EMS site?

integra-modder

also, where do you stick the unit in the integra? does it fit where the ecu was?

do i need any other maps that didnt originally come in the 1010 ems to make my 01 GSR run?


[Modified by integra-modder, 1:35 PM 2/28/2003]

laughinxxx

How much of a hp increase did yall get when putting the AEM EMS or Hondata on NA motors?

98Psi ITR

S2K saw as much as 25hp gains, NSX saw around 4hp over the stock ecu's.

integra-modder

are you for real?

98Psi ITR

Yes. Why would I not be.

integra-modder

25 is a lot out of an engine thats already getting everything squeezed out of it

98Psi ITR

Not to flame, but what qualifies you to make this statement. Do you work for honda?

laughinxxx

25 whp and increased gas mileage for $500 would put a smile on my face for weeks.

integra-modder

Nope, I dont, however every article ive read about the s2k's have said that honda did a good job squeezing the power out of that 2 liter. Ive never heard anyone argue it.

The forced sk2's that ive seen dont produce that much power considering what they have.

I said thats a lot because im assuing the EMS was the sole modification on the car.

integra-modder

98Psi ITR: If you have something to discuss, you can personally IM me about it.

Back to the topic, I just tried to start with the EMS without loading anything on it and its not starting, so im guessing that something's got to be programmed onto it.

98Psi ITR

I know it sounds high, so I double checked. Its actually closer to 15hp stock motor. If you have a set of Toda cams and then switch from the stock ecu to the EMS it was closer to 30hp. Sorry.