Another turbo S2000 complete...
01-26-2005, 08:55 AM
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Another turbo S2000 complete...
Setup:
GT30/71R(4psi of boost@5k rpm, dry revving
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LoveFab Mini-me
3" downpipe, 3-4" exhaust.
22X9X3 FMIC, 2.5" AL piping
TiAL 44mm, 50mm WG/BOV
RC 750cc injectors
AEM EMS
Stock driveline
We dyno this Friday, anticipating a MINIMUM of 250rwhp on a Mustange dyno, .4 bar WG spring.
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*****after dyno*****
8psi, conservative tune, 91 octane fuel.(11.5:1AFR, 16 degrees total time).
Video!
http://www.we-todd-did-racing....DE%3D
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Get ready for some pictures:
Comments on the bodywork...
Rear bumper was fucked up from the accident. We cut the bad part off, repainted, this was the result.
The hood was purchased based on PURE function. Once we dyno and get things sorted out, I plan on swapping to a top-mount(or Vmount) IC location, so there will only be about 8" of IC piping between the IC, turbo, and TB. The vented hood wil facilitate the use of that nicely
Whatcha all think?
Modified by Tinker219 at 6:42 PM 1/29/2005
Modified by Tinker219 at 8:04 PM 1/30/2005
GT30/71R(4psi of boost@5k rpm, dry revving
)LoveFab Mini-me
3" downpipe, 3-4" exhaust.
22X9X3 FMIC, 2.5" AL piping
TiAL 44mm, 50mm WG/BOV
RC 750cc injectors
AEM EMS
Stock driveline
We dyno this Friday, anticipating a MINIMUM of 250rwhp on a Mustange dyno, .4 bar WG spring.
[edit]
*****after dyno*****
8psi, conservative tune, 91 octane fuel.(11.5:1AFR, 16 degrees total time).
Video!
http://www.we-todd-did-racing....DE%3D
[/edit]
Get ready for some pictures:
Comments on the bodywork...
Rear bumper was fucked up from the accident. We cut the bad part off, repainted, this was the result.
The hood was purchased based on PURE function. Once we dyno and get things sorted out, I plan on swapping to a top-mount(or Vmount) IC location, so there will only be about 8" of IC piping between the IC, turbo, and TB. The vented hood wil facilitate the use of that nicely
Whatcha all think?
Modified by Tinker219 at 6:42 PM 1/29/2005
Modified by Tinker219 at 8:04 PM 1/30/2005
01-26-2005, 09:14 AM
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Re: Another turbo S2000 complete... (h22dude)
I think we will be lucky to see the clutch survive the dyno runs. Maybe not, its not like your banging gears on a dyno.
As for baller...um, I dont know if I should reveal how deep I gouged my piggybank(small as it was) to put the parts together. Ya, you see that Ford F150 in the background? Thats my only other car, and it was cheaper than the turbo I just bought for this
The main costs of this buildup were the EMS and turbo, ball-bearings sure do sting dont they? Should be worth it, Ive never hit boost dry-revving before in a Honda
As for baller...um, I dont know if I should reveal how deep I gouged my piggybank(small as it was) to put the parts together. Ya, you see that Ford F150 in the background? Thats my only other car, and it was cheaper than the turbo I just bought for this
The main costs of this buildup were the EMS and turbo, ball-bearings sure do sting dont they? Should be worth it, Ive never hit boost dry-revving before in a Honda
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01-26-2005, 09:16 AM
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beauty. Where's the air filter?....protect that investment!!
I'm not sure I understand the logic behind going to a less efficient top mount IC (even with shorter piping), but props to a clean car. I love to see S2000s with single exhaust, rather than those ultra-ghey fake duals...good choice!!
I'm not sure I understand the logic behind going to a less efficient top mount IC (even with shorter piping), but props to a clean car. I love to see S2000s with single exhaust, rather than those ultra-ghey fake duals...good choice!!
01-26-2005, 09:16 AM
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Re: Another turbo S2000 complete... (Tinker219)
Very nice, I like the car because it looks mis leading or "sleeperish". Your car could be fast but maybe its not. Just for the simple fact I know your going to get races, suprize people, and then bust there *** gets you a 
in my book. Good work on a nice car.
P.S If you put some black thermal coating on you front mount, I dont think anyone would be able to see it.
in my book. Good work on a nice car.P.S If you put some black thermal coating on you front mount, I dont think anyone would be able to see it.
01-26-2005, 09:20 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ForceFedDetroit »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">beauty. Where's the air filter?....protect that investment!!
I'm not sure I understand the logic behind going to a less efficient top mount IC (even with shorter piping), but props to a clean car. I love to see S2000s with single exhaust, rather than those ultra-ghey fake duals...good choice!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Air filter will be done after the dyno, its being trailered to/from, so no driving till a filter is installed.
The way Im doing the Intercooler, it should be MORE efficient. All it takes is a little bit of duct-work to channel cold air up through the IC and Hood vents. The duct-work doubles as a heat sheild for engine-bay heat, which gets sucked out from underneath. The shorter piping will help all-around, and with the Radiator(tipped back and down, creating a V with the IC) and IC getting equal amounts of air, this car will be very cool at the track.
I'm not sure I understand the logic behind going to a less efficient top mount IC (even with shorter piping), but props to a clean car. I love to see S2000s with single exhaust, rather than those ultra-ghey fake duals...good choice!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Air filter will be done after the dyno, its being trailered to/from, so no driving till a filter is installed.
The way Im doing the Intercooler, it should be MORE efficient. All it takes is a little bit of duct-work to channel cold air up through the IC and Hood vents. The duct-work doubles as a heat sheild for engine-bay heat, which gets sucked out from underneath. The shorter piping will help all-around, and with the Radiator(tipped back and down, creating a V with the IC) and IC getting equal amounts of air, this car will be very cool at the track.
01-26-2005, 09:24 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tinker219 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Air filter will be done after the dyno, its being trailered to/from, so no driving till a filter is installed.
The way Im doing the Intercooler, it should be MORE efficient. All it takes is a little bit of duct-work to channel cold air up through the IC and Hood vents. The duct-work doubles as a heat sheild for engine-bay heat, which gets sucked out from underneath. The shorter piping will help all-around, and with the Radiator(tipped back and down, creating a V with the IC) and IC getting equal amounts of air, this car will be very cool at the track.</TD></TR></TABLE>
sounds interesting, it would be really interesting to collect inlet/outlet temperature data on both setups to determine which is more efficient. I can't wait to see the dyno plot, please post it asap!! Also say hello from Jan (yawn..) to the guys at Payn when you see them.
The way Im doing the Intercooler, it should be MORE efficient. All it takes is a little bit of duct-work to channel cold air up through the IC and Hood vents. The duct-work doubles as a heat sheild for engine-bay heat, which gets sucked out from underneath. The shorter piping will help all-around, and with the Radiator(tipped back and down, creating a V with the IC) and IC getting equal amounts of air, this car will be very cool at the track.</TD></TR></TABLE>
sounds interesting, it would be really interesting to collect inlet/outlet temperature data on both setups to determine which is more efficient. I can't wait to see the dyno plot, please post it asap!! Also say hello from Jan (yawn..) to the guys at Payn when you see them.
01-26-2005, 09:32 AM
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Re: (ForceFedDetroit)
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sounds interesting, it would be really interesting to collect inlet/outlet temperature data on both setups to determine which is more efficient. I can't wait to see the dyno plot, please post it asap!! Also say hello from Jan (yawn..) to the guys at Payn when you see them. </TD></TR></TABLE>
It would be interesting! It will definately be done when I get a clutch(when I can afford to do so), and go to re-tune. Ill bring old and new setups for before/after.
sounds interesting, it would be really interesting to collect inlet/outlet temperature data on both setups to determine which is more efficient. I can't wait to see the dyno plot, please post it asap!! Also say hello from Jan (yawn..) to the guys at Payn when you see them.
</TD></TR></TABLE>It would be interesting! It will definately be done when I get a clutch(when I can afford to do so), and go to re-tune. Ill bring old and new setups for before/after.
01-26-2005, 09:46 AM
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It looks worse when I guess 600whp and only hit 300whp
Honestly, I would think about 280. This is JUST off the wastegate spring, .4 bar or 5.8psi. Also running off just springs with no boost controller is not nearly as efficient as running a boost controller because the spring is slowly opening as pressure builds. I confirmed this because the wastegate had opened during my dry revving(pulled off, swapped with .4 bar spring and there was soot in there) with a .6 bar spring, and I never saw more than 4psi.
Wonder if I could "borrow" a boost controller when I tune...
It looks worse when I guess 600whp and only hit 300whp
Honestly, I would think about 280. This is JUST off the wastegate spring, .4 bar or 5.8psi. Also running off just springs with no boost controller is not nearly as efficient as running a boost controller because the spring is slowly opening as pressure builds. I confirmed this because the wastegate had opened during my dry revving(pulled off, swapped with .4 bar spring and there was soot in there) with a .6 bar spring, and I never saw more than 4psi.
Wonder if I could "borrow" a boost controller when I tune...
01-26-2005, 09:49 AM
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Its smaller than what most people run on here, and the fact that Im seeing boost with no load means the turbo is NOT too large. Once a clutch is installed, I may possibly try a 3mm head gasket, and try and hit the peak efficiency of the turbo.
01-26-2005, 10:06 AM
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Its not that big. The turbo should max out around 450whp, so its much smaller than an SC34 even. Just the compressor housing is large. I wanted the wow factor, apparently its working
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tinker219 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Its not that big. The turbo should max out around 450whp, so its much smaller than an SC34 even. Just the compressor housing is large. I wanted the wow factor, apparently its working </TD></TR></TABLE>
Ricer.
Get some numbers!
</TD></TR></TABLE>Ricer.
Get some numbers!
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Re: Another turbo S2000 complete... (Tinker219)
Cant wait to see the v-mount
What type of core do you plan on using? Are your end tanks going to be full custom or just welded on by yourself?
Go to lowes and build yourself a MBC for 5$ for the dyno session.
I would loan you mine but, you not close
Modified by si2die4 at 7:40 AM 1/27/2005
What type of core do you plan on using? Are your end tanks going to be full custom or just welded on by yourself?
Go to lowes and build yourself a MBC for 5$ for the dyno session.
I would loan you mine but, you not close
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01-26-2005, 10:34 AM
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Re: Another turbo S2000 complete... (Tinker219)
Holy **** that exhaust is ****** sikkkkkk!
Oh yea, doesn't it put down like 200rwhp stock? Your only expecting a 50whp gain? Common, shoot for at least 375whp on that f20c. . . . It's got forged internals!!!!
Oh yea, doesn't it put down like 200rwhp stock? Your only expecting a 50whp gain? Common, shoot for at least 375whp on that f20c. . . . It's got forged internals!!!!
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Re: Another turbo S2000 complete... (m R g S r)
Ill be using a mustang dyno that reads LOW to begin with(lower than most other mustangs), 5.8psi, and stock clutch are going to limit the HP this dyno session.
I think I may actually incorporate boost controlling into the AEM. Thatd be sweet and that selenoid is only around $30 if I remember correctly.
Ya, the exhaust is sick. Ill be my "track" exhaust because its a LOT louder than I anticipated. My SRT4 was quite a bit quieter, with a larger turbo even, so Im suspecting that the 11:1 compression ratio is the culprit for the noice. Ill be building a more docile muffled exhaust for street driving.
I think I may actually incorporate boost controlling into the AEM. Thatd be sweet and that selenoid is only around $30 if I remember correctly.
Ya, the exhaust is sick. Ill be my "track" exhaust because its a LOT louder than I anticipated. My SRT4 was quite a bit quieter, with a larger turbo even, so Im suspecting that the 11:1 compression ratio is the culprit for the noice. Ill be building a more docile muffled exhaust for street driving.