https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/1835597

read this thread, it was posted in the all motor form. I wanted to see the other side of the story, so i want to hear what all of the FI guys think, opinions are appreciated. im not trying to start a debate, i just want to know what u guys think the advantages are to FI, similar to what the thread in the all motor form was asking.

 

the way you u have to hold onto your nuts when your going 145+

 

Dont listen to those dumb all motor guys, their just jelous of the BOOST

 

What better advantage do you need? "Period. boost gets you laid. don't fight it. go TURBO!"

Other than the illustration below:
- I always hear "boost is too unpredictable"
Ans: No it's not. You put the same amount of time and energy to learn about boost as you would about N/A. You buy proper parts and whatever to build a car that is going to handle and deliver power predictably.
- Welllll you'll just spin your tires coming out of a turn and I'll beat you.
Ans: Negative. Ever heard of a gas pedal? You don't have instant 500hp as soon as you touch the throttle. You give the throttle just enough to where you are in control around the turn....then when you are pointed straight again, you mash it.
- You'll just overheat all day and have to pull over.
Ans: Ok, I'll give you part of that....FI might run a little hotter than N/A. However, ever heard of a custom full-sized radiator? I have, and I have one...no overheating for me. I can barely even get enough heat in the motor during the winter so sorry but no cigar again.
- N/A has better daily driveability
Ans: Again, no. For the majority who don't build the boost motor correctly and don't take into account a good tune then yes it would be at a disadvantage. However, if you do these two things and also do general maintanence then it has just as good daily driveability as N/A....I speak from 2 years and going of experience. Therefore that argument is mute.
- N/A will get better gas mileage.
Ans: Ok, well if we're going for a gas mileage contest then we're obviously not beating on the car. Therefore, ever heard of tuning? Tuning is what makes or breaks a car...and it's gas mileage. So again, that's a un-thought-out argument.
- "It's more impressive to run 11.8 N/A than 11.8 boosted"
Ans: Too bad 11.8 is started to be among the quickest you'll find in the N/A world. 11.8 is good starting point for boost.
- Who cares if you run a 11.8 or a 13.8. The dragstrip is not the end all be all...not everyone gets a boner from drag racing. It all depends on where you do your main driving and where you like driving. On the highway/road course an 11.8sec. N/A car is going to be way slower than a 500whp 11.8sec boosted car....period, don't even try to tell me differently. I ran a 13.4 on the last turbo at the track, then absolutely <U>destroyed</U> an 11.2sec. N/A car on the highway.
- One of the best things I've ever heard about my car was when I was giving a fellow Honda friend (super die-hard N/A guy) a ride. I gave it 3/4 throttle and went from 2000rpm-5100rpm in 4th gear (LS tranny). I didn't think much of it, but he reaction was: "OMG TORQUE!" haha My reponse: "Yep, that's a turbo"
- N/A is cheaper than boost.
Ans: Congrats smart guy, want a cookie?
Fast and cheap is not reliable.
Reliable and cheap is not fast. &lt;--N/A land
Fast and reliable is not cheap. &lt;--Boost land
Statement: N/A Honda exhausts are the most annoying sound in the world. It is gross and extremely pitiful sounding.
- In conclusion, N/A v. Boost will always be around. Just do what you want to do and tell others to f*ck off, it's not their car. N/A will always try and bash on boost with arguments such as the above that are just simply wrong and not true. It's a simple fact; boost is faster than N/A. Ex: Are top-fuelers N/A?? Nooooooo, and I wonder why.....




Modified by Dunc at 10:05 PM 2/25/2007

 

Because my car with a little B16 is quiet because of the turbo, but on pump gas will run with 600-750CC sport bikes on the highway. Nothing like putzing along getting 30 MPG on the highway, but then racing a Viper, Z06, 911, etc and tearing it a new one. Good luck running a new Z06 with any streetable all motor honda.

 

getting thrown into the back of your seat got to love that feeling of being pulled hard and also can a all motor car beat a viper, vette, cobra, etc... on a highway run... i dont think so so that concludes boost is better


Modified by snaileg at 9:39 PM 12/12/2006

 

All motor guys like being the underdogs. Turbo guys like going fast.

 

I went boosted purely for the spooling sounds. Although it seems i'm getting laid less, anyone experience this ? My G/F always complains that i spend more time with my car.

The added power and torque was a plus too though.

AF-P Dunc pretty much covered it...

 

we dont have to rev the **** out of our motors to make power, we dont have to slam gears as fast...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sohc_turd &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I went boosted purely for the spooling sounds. Although it seems i'm getting laid less, anyone experience this ? My G/F always complains that i spend more time with my car.

The added power and torque was a plus too though.

AF-P Dunc pretty much covered it...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Girlfriends are the exceptions haha (I've experienced this too). You just need to find the girl who get turned on by it. I just found one, so they are out there

 

lol, any girl I take for a ride in my car just gets scared, doesn't turn them on. That's why I'm getting an s2k and boosting it. RWD action. Fishtailing should turn them on lol

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18 CYA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">lol, any girl I take for a ride in my car just gets scared, doesn't turn them on. That's why I'm getting an s2k and boosting it. RWD action. Fishtailing should turn them on lol </TD></TR></TABLE>

heh, every girl i take for a ride gets incredibly turned on... one girl even had an orgasm mid-drift (talking about my 240)


i like to take her for rides alot now :D
too bad her bf doesnt know about it, hehe

 

Go ride in a 210whp fully built NA set-up. Then go ride in a 275whp stock engine FI set-up.

Tell us what you think then.

 

there is too much room for improvement with all motor. ahaha. alot of them build their motors to handle way more power than their car will ever see, they are just begging for a nice shot of nitrous. i do respect them i just think power adders are more fun. we wont even go into turbos because everyone knows that turbo &gt; all-motor.

 

I've been told by a few friends that all motor setups are better for road racing and AutoX, but personally i think that instead of spending $10k on an engine, i'd just toss on a JRSC if i wanted to have the all motor powerband. Personally i like the feel of a big turbo on my GSR. Its fun and every time you hit boost its a kick in the ***. Plus, have fun trying to hit 350whp on a GSR engine.....by the way the internals are stock too

 

boost can be more fuel effeicent

example, it may take a 2.5 litre to make 250 hp all motor (easily).
However a 1.4 litre, can make 250 hp with high boost. However , when you're just cruising the 2.5 litre is still a 2.5 litre whereas the 1.4 litre is a tiny 1.4 litre

you will see the same power , but with 70% higher milage this way

(expect to see alot more stock cars come out boosted from the factory because of this smaller motor / yet hp race situation).

-nuke

 

The fastest modded car and one of the fastest period in my autox region has a supercharger spooling the intake for the turbo. He has a LS/Vtec setup with 84mm bore. He says he has 250-300 ft-lbs from 3K to redline. My turbo setup isn't glamorous by any means, but it spools at just over 3K and I have full boost by 4500 rpms and is perfect for autox.

edit: I can't type. grammer corrections

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sohc_turd &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I went boosted purely for the spooling sounds. Although it seems i'm getting laid less, anyone experience this ? My G/F always complains that i spend more time with my car.

The added power and torque was a plus too though.

AF-P Dunc pretty much covered it...</TD></TR></TABLE>

My GF always complains about the smell (open downpipe) of my car and she doesnt like going fast.

But why spend so much more money when you could make more power for so much cheaper turbo &gt; NA

Also because i like to spank cobras on the highway.

 

Good writup..



WTF?? lol

 

I'm really happy with the Turbo setup Jerry got me.

But Jerry Built has some really fast N/A street cars. (K-Series)

Also my lady would rather walk than smell unburned fuel and Durablend

Jerry Built

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .EnzoSpeed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Maximum volumetric efficiency. You want the most efficient motor possible, plain and simple. You cannot achieve that going all motor.</TD></TR></TABLE>

exactly

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wantboost &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">heh, every girl i take for a ride gets incredibly turned on... one girl even had an orgasm mid-drift (talking about my 240)</TD></TR></TABLE>

Just need to take the right girls for a ride, do yourself a favor and don't take anyone that you're not going to want to have to bang later.

There's a reason it's my avatar.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b16sedan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Because my car with a little B16 is quiet because of the turbo, but on pump gas will run with 600-750CC sport bikes on the highway. Nothing like putzing along getting 30 MPG on the highway, but then racing a Viper, Z06, 911, etc and tearing it a new one. Good luck running a new Z06 with any streetable all motor honda.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Unless you have some ungoldly built and mean setup, you aren't going to hold a candle to any new Z06 thats stock. Period. They run 11.7 on street tires, stock, spinning most of the way. I've heard of people getting into the 10's with nothing more then slicks.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SovXietday &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Just need to take the right girls for a ride, do yourself a favor and don't take anyone that you're not going to want to have to bang later.

There's a reason it's my avatar. </TD></TR></TABLE>

trust me, if i didnt want to be with her she wouldnt be in my car in the first place

 

my gf hates my car.. boost feeds me ego and drains my pocket, that's about it.. I tell this to the "all motor" guys, once you go boost you'll realize that playing with all motor is like pissing in the wind.. pointless