Action 2MS 2MD D series users, Are you having this issue >>
03-07-2005, 12:33 PM
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Action 2MS 2MD D series users, Are you having this issue >>
Anyone else having these problems.
Pedal feels dead, like not hooked to anything for about 2 inches of travel, then is seems to work fine.
Also at high rpms, above 7500, it's hard to get out of gear or disengage the clutch. Seems like you gotta let the revs come down a bit before it works correctly.
Pedal feels dead, like not hooked to anything for about 2 inches of travel, then is seems to work fine.
Also at high rpms, above 7500, it's hard to get out of gear or disengage the clutch. Seems like you gotta let the revs come down a bit before it works correctly.
03-07-2005, 12:42 PM
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yep SAME thing here and the pedal grabs really low... its like if there is no pressure for the first 2 inch of the travel.
I had to weld a nut on the bracket for the adjustement of the rod of the master cylinder to get some extra threads ( 1/4 inch ) to adjust the pedal. Now I have a good feeling on the pedal, almost like a stock but I didnt tryed it yet... there is too much snow here I hope that it will help cuz It was impossible to shift... its a really strange problem... ???
I had to weld a nut on the bracket for the adjustement of the rod of the master cylinder to get some extra threads ( 1/4 inch ) to adjust the pedal. Now I have a good feeling on the pedal, almost like a stock but I didnt tryed it yet... there is too much snow here I hope that it will help cuz It was impossible to shift... its a really strange problem... ???
03-07-2005, 01:07 PM
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Re: (ELSpool)
mine does the same thing but I havent adjusted the pedal yet... I just figured it needs adjustment..? or I was thinking I didn't bleed the system enough..?
03-07-2005, 01:12 PM
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Re: (turbosi03)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbosi03 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">mine does the same thing but I havent adjusted the pedal yet... I just figured it needs adjustment..? or I was thinking I didn't bleed the system enough..? </TD></TR></TABLE>
damn not another one...
I bleeded the system like 3 times... now like I said I had to weld a nut to get more adjustement and it feel really good, almost like a stock pedal but I cant try my car before a month...
I will take some pics tonight of what I did to fix the pedal problem but for now I cant say that it will fix the problem but at least my pedal is A LOT BETTER... there is like 1/2 inch of dead travel, like a stock clutch
but there is definatly a problem in the design of those pressure plate.
Im pretty sure that my new adjustement will fix the problem. I think that the clutch didnt have enought travel to disagenge properly under high load situation.
I will email my pics to someone who could host them ( just pm me your email )
damn not another one...
I bleeded the system like 3 times... now like I said I had to weld a nut to get more adjustement and it feel really good, almost like a stock pedal but I cant try my car before a month...
I will take some pics tonight of what I did to fix the pedal problem but for now I cant say that it will fix the problem but at least my pedal is A LOT BETTER... there is like 1/2 inch of dead travel, like a stock clutch
but there is definatly a problem in the design of those pressure plate.
Im pretty sure that my new adjustement will fix the problem. I think that the clutch didnt have enought travel to disagenge properly under high load situation.
I will email my pics to someone who could host them ( just pm me your email )
03-07-2005, 01:38 PM
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i can host them. send them over
this is rediculaus,
what would cause this, the pressure plate not having big enough splines ?
or whatever there called.
ELspool, did you say you contacted Action about this.
please post what they said.
this is rediculaus,
what would cause this, the pressure plate not having big enough splines ?
or whatever there called.
ELspool, did you say you contacted Action about this.
please post what they said.
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03-07-2005, 01:58 PM
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I spoke with Alex from Action Clutch and sent my clutch back to him. Will let you know what he says. This was the first he heard of it. No issues to knowledge with B-series guys, but we hardly know anyone running the clutch on D-series. We talked about these situations posted and he was very concerned, he is more than willig to take alook at the clutch to see whats wrong. He said every clutch is tested before it leaves, however something seems off. He also mentioned the 6 puck might be too heavy at high rpms to release (mentioned Bisi's All Motor race car switch back to a 4 puck because of this) but had no idea why the pedal pressure issue was gone for the first 1-2 inches of travel.
03-07-2005, 02:03 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ELSpool »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">(mentioned Bisi's All Motor race car switch back to a 4 puck because of this) </TD></TR></TABLE>
so they have had problems with the b series too with the 6 puck?
please let us know what they say, i really dont want to rip my tranny back off.
so they have had problems with the b series too with the 6 puck?
please let us know what they say, i really dont want to rip my tranny back off.
03-07-2005, 02:06 PM
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03-07-2005, 02:09 PM
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well from the day I had this clutch I had problem to shift over 6500 rpm or so... but I was sure that the problem was in my tranny. I did a thread about my problem but I was the only one to have this issue...
there is a problem in the pressure plate...
there is a problem in the pressure plate...
03-07-2005, 03:02 PM
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wonder if action only tested the clutch to the stock rev limit of 7200 or so..
they might not have noticed the issue during R&D
This is seriously something i do not want to deal with after just getting my car back together.
yellowturbo, send me those pics so i can try out what you did and see if it makes a difference on the street.
they might not have noticed the issue during R&D
This is seriously something i do not want to deal with after just getting my car back together.
yellowturbo, send me those pics so i can try out what you did and see if it makes a difference on the street.
03-07-2005, 05:30 PM
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Re: (turbosi03)
MD is unsprung clutch plate right? I have the sprung version KS no problems here.
I also have a cable clutch am guessing you guys don't...
I also have a cable clutch am guessing you guys don't...
03-07-2005, 05:35 PM
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im runing the 2 MS which is the sprung clutch.
i seem to be having hte issue. but i also have not tried the adjustment screw..
i seem to be having hte issue. but i also have not tried the adjustment screw..
03-07-2005, 05:42 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by platinum00 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im runing the 2 MS which is the sprung clutch.
i seem to be having hte issue. but i also have not tried the adjustment screw..
</TD></TR></TABLE> Edit I am using the same clutch sprung 6 puck dual diaphram with no problems perhaps over adjusted? .
i seem to be having hte issue. but i also have not tried the adjustment screw..
</TD></TR></TABLE> Edit I am using the same clutch sprung 6 puck dual diaphram with no problems perhaps over adjusted? .
03-08-2005, 04:54 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbozxi »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Edit I am using the same clutch sprung 6 puck dual diaphram with no problems perhaps over adjusted? .</TD></TR></TABLE>
are you a D or B series guy..
are you a D or B series guy..
03-08-2005, 06:28 AM
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yea i would hold off legendboy.
the clutch feels great besides these problems. if these can be addressed i would still highly recommend it.
the clutch feels great besides these problems. if these can be addressed i would still highly recommend it.
03-08-2005, 06:37 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by platinum00 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">here is a pic of what yellowturbo did.
yellowturbo, please explain this to us.
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ok here you go... I fixed my pedal problem with this cuz I was at the end of the adjustement... as you can see in the pic, I welded a nut to the adjustement bracket, you can see the welds... ( not the gold one, the gold is there from Honda to lock the rod )
This will push the rod 3/16 to 1/4 more into the clutch master cylinder but you will have to push it to install the bracket and it require some patience under the dash lol
Now I have a really better feeling on the pedal and now I have some pressure after only 1/2 inch of travel ( like a stock Civic ) instead of 2.5 inch... and at the bottom it also fell like a stock clutch...
This will help to disagenge you clutch faster and have a really better feeling but I DIDNT TRYED IT YET so I know that the pedal feeling is A LOT BETTER but I cant tell you if it will make the tranny shift or not...
If someone could try it * platinum00 cough cough * it will tell me if it work or not... im stock in my garage with 4 feets of snow... I love my country lol
yellowturbo, please explain this to us.
</TD></TR></TABLE>ok here you go... I fixed my pedal problem with this cuz I was at the end of the adjustement... as you can see in the pic, I welded a nut to the adjustement bracket, you can see the welds... ( not the gold one, the gold is there from Honda to lock the rod )
This will push the rod 3/16 to 1/4 more into the clutch master cylinder but you will have to push it to install the bracket and it require some patience under the dash lol
Now I have a really better feeling on the pedal and now I have some pressure after only 1/2 inch of travel ( like a stock Civic ) instead of 2.5 inch... and at the bottom it also fell like a stock clutch...
This will help to disagenge you clutch faster and have a really better feeling but I DIDNT TRYED IT YET so I know that the pedal feeling is A LOT BETTER but I cant tell you if it will make the tranny shift or not...
If someone could try it * platinum00 cough cough * it will tell me if it work or not... im stock in my garage with 4 feets of snow... I love my country lol
03-08-2005, 06:42 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by platinum00 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yea i would hold off legendboy.
the clutch feels great besides these problems. if these can be addressed i would still highly recommend it.
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yeah but it still a HUGE problem.... so I wouldnt recommand it... I just hope that what I did on the pic to get a good pedal feel will help...
Im just waiting until someone try it...
the clutch feels great besides these problems. if these can be addressed i would still highly recommend it.
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yeah but it still a HUGE problem.... so I wouldnt recommand it... I just hope that what I did on the pic to get a good pedal feel will help...
Im just waiting until someone try it...
03-08-2005, 06:43 AM
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my car is getting street tuned on friday if there is no snow on the ground.
winter sucks
if i have to cancel because of snow, im not sure when i can test this. but prolly before you 4 feet of snow melts.
after that i will for sure post up if i can **** at high rpm..
winter sucks
if i have to cancel because of snow, im not sure when i can test this. but prolly before you 4 feet of snow melts.
after that i will for sure post up if i can **** at high rpm..
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by platinum00 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my car is getting street tuned on friday if there is no snow on the ground.
winter sucks
if i have to cancel because of snow, im not sure when i can test this. but prolly before you 4 feet of snow melts.
after that i will for sure post up if i can **** at high rpm..</TD></TR></TABLE>
ok so until you can tune your car try what I did on my pics... it will take you 30 min and even if your car is on the stand you will see the difference immediatly !!
I just hope that it will work, if yes im the genius !
winter sucks
if i have to cancel because of snow, im not sure when i can test this. but prolly before you 4 feet of snow melts.
after that i will for sure post up if i can **** at high rpm..</TD></TR></TABLE>
ok so until you can tune your car try what I did on my pics... it will take you 30 min and even if your car is on the stand you will see the difference immediatly !!
I just hope that it will work, if yes im the genius !