88CRXHybrid

I have a dream...Well actually I was wondering if it would be possible to get a 88 CRX to break the 9's and be street driven/reliable (turn down the boost on the street obviously). The reason I ask is because I am trying to find the right block to build off of while I save up for the turbo kit. I do know that I want a rod/stroke ratio of ~1.75:1 or as close to it as possible with golden eagle sleeves. I know I will need standalone. Which one would fit this application best? What turbo would be sufficient to produce ~550-600whp(is that enough)? Anyone have a parts list for this kind on HP

earl

It could be done but would take 50 large to do it. Makes no sense. Build around a B18C.

SpeedMonkeyRacing

well, it's your dream..now wake up and face the realiaty

Jeff-

Tomakit

well, it's your dream..now wake up and face the realiaty...


hahahaha

Tom

Lei Siew Long

i have the same dream except for daily driven 10's instead (which i'm still aiming for with a ls motor). daily driven and run 9's? i think that is unrealistic. but running mid-high 10's seems to be more realistic. that has been done by several people including Lanny Higa. my recommendation would be to aim for 10's instead of 9's. but, if you're really set on 9's, just build a full racecar instead.

InfamousRS

I have a dream too, 11's in my teg. Is that to big of a dream? I want to do it for around $8000, is it possible?

Plans:
B18B block
Golden Eagle Sleeves
Endyn Roller Wave Pistons, 84.5mm bore
Eagle Rods
B18B Head, P & P by Portflow
ITR Intake Manifold
Valves, springs, retainers, and cams (not sure what brand yet)
The MaxRev Turbo "kit"
Honda 3b
3 bar map sensor
550 injectors
Walbro Fuel Pump
Apexi Electronic Boost controler
Clutch (not sure what brand and stage yet)
Termal 3" exhaust
slicks
LSD

And a whole bunch more.

Based on my wish list, would I be into the 11's? And still have a daily driver?

Lei Siew Long

sounds good. i think your forgot to add a fpr to your list. but, i think there is more than a good chance that you'll break 11's and a daily driver.

88CRXHybrid

well I would be elated if I could run high 9's but would love to run 10's. Some of you are probably forgeting that I have a 2017lbs. CRX not a 2600+lbs Integra. How many HP would it take? I figured through a couple hp calculators, I know they are not fool proof, that it would take a max of 550whp to run in the high 9's with my car's weight(I even use 2300 as my weight to be more realistic). Wouldnt this HP be realistic if I was running a sleeved 1.8L(84.5mm) B16A block and a 81.4mm stroke B17A crank, 142.75mm rods. This would give me the ideal rod/stroke ratio of 1.754 while upping the displacement. Ah and dont forget a health 25-29psi coming from a turbo with of course a standalone and proper fuel. Would the B20A rods work with the B16A's deck height being lower than b18C etc. What if the wristpins were moved up to compensate for the longer rod? Which one would be the best for this situation?T3/T04E? T04E? T3/T4? Turbonics T66? Any other?

InfamousRS

Im planning on the Paxton 1:1 FPR, and a fuel rail of some kind. Sorry, there is probably alot of stuff I left out, I named all of that stuff off the top of my head.

88CRXHybrid: You also have to figure traction issues, With that much HP and that light of a car, traction would be a HUGE issue.


[Modified by BLK94RS, 6:03 AM 12/11/2001]

Lei Siew Long

yeah, traction would be a major issue and you could make it into a daily driver but, i doubt it would be a reliable one. just plan on having a second car as backup.

the faster you go, the more problems you'll run into


[Modified by boostedeg6, 11:23 AM 12/11/2001]

Speed PHreak

amen boostedeg6, traction is a problem in my car at onyl 7 psi..........punch it in 3rd and you get light wheel spin and then clutch slippage........It's as fast as a S/C 95 Cobra tho........I raced on this past weekend, he got a jump on me off the light, but it was a dead heat after that......

jinxproof99

a friend of mine is switching from nitrous back to turbo next year. he's got a 88 hf. it weights like under 2100 with him in it. he will run 10's daily driven. you can do it(run 10's) in that car with 350 - 400hsp to the wheels(turbo). he went 11.50 with only around 260 hsp to the wheel.(b18c1 w/ 80 shot). you could run 10's in a crx with my old set up.(cheap). stock b18c1, skunk2 manifold, springs/retainers, rev hard kit w/ big t3/4, inline pro headgasket, apex s-afc, 440's......

9's...daily driven......no. you could never "daily drive" on the suspension required on a 9 sec crx.


[Modified by jinxproof99, 11:32 AM 12/11/2001]

gtcali

With today's import technology Most likely NOT. Maybe 1 day it will be common. Who knows. Is technology peaking for Hondas? People like you who dream it can make it possible.

Today you can have the horsepower. Ya just have to dream up someway to put it to the ground with a fwd car.

b18bturbo

suspension wise we are allready done. we are getting the maximum torque to the ground the best way we can. With suspension like JG with bullet proof axles theres not much more we can do. The unibodys should 8s next season wit ease. right now everyone is going low 9s with no problems.

Flamenco-T

and get Arturbo's battery...

InfamousRS

How much are JG's bullet proof axles? What Should I do for suspension? I want it to be daily drivable, being that its my only car, and in the 11's on slicks. I planning on runing no more than 12 psi on the street, unless I need to kill somone, so I won't be pushing the amount of hp and torque to the ground that I would be at the track.

D-Man

The www.driveshaftshop.com has some serious axles but they cost big bucks,like $1500 for a pair of thier Stage 5 sets but cost shouldnt be an issue if your shooting for 9s,your spending big bucks anyway and your gonna have to keep feeding it lots of cash if you plan to keep it running in the 9s.

jinxproof99

if your only running 11's, you won't need bullet proof axles. i have never broken an axle. i ran 11's all year. stock gsr axles/hubs.


[Modified by jinxproof99, 3:20 PM 12/11/2001]

InfamousRS

Are the stock GSR axles any bigger and stronger than the stock LS/RS axles? Is there a stock axle that would be worth upgrading to in my case?

88CRXHybrid

at what hp will the stock axles start breaking on slicks?20x8x15?

b18bturbo

stock will be fine on that smal of a slick.,

88CRXHybrid

so they would start breaking on like a 22/8/15? or more like a 26/10/15. Oh 15" rims as the smallest I can have because I have the fastbrakes wilwood brake kit with 11"rotors.

rioninja

I dissagree with the whole notion of import technology peaking. People were saying hondas were nearing their peak when they first started breaking into the 11s, then 10s. Technology will never peak, but i think its gotten to more of a traction issue than a horsepower issue. There are a lot of new products that seem interesting, like the Z10 radius arm kit and such.
just remember back in the day when people were shooting for 12 second daily driven

D-Man

i dont think your gonna get into the 9s with a 20x8x15 slick,if you do,i think itll be a 1st.

jinxproof99

you have less side wall with a 15" slick. i've only used 13" slicks but i would think that with less sidewall you would have less stress on the axles. the more sidewall you have, the better grip you'll have, but the more stress your putting on the drivetrain.

you can run up to 375 hsp to the wheels with around 275 ft/lbs of torque on a 24.5/13" slick w/ as low as 8 lbs in each tire without breaking axles. i have also run 25" slicks on 13" rims and run as low as 8lbs. you will not need a 26"/15" slick until you have over 450 hsp to the wheels and a great suspension set up. alittle depends on the track and temperature and keep in mind that the lower your tire pressure is, the closer you are to breaking axles.