hey Guys i've been wrighting in a lot here and i thank you guys for all the help i've been receiving my questions what to expect with a t3/to4e 57 trim full race set up i plan on running it on a built motor around 15-18 psi i'm hoping to make 400whp but my question is how are 57 trim turbos do they die out towards the top end like lest say a stock turboed car or do they keep making power to redline. right now my set up redlines around 9000 - 9500 and i would love to still make power till around that rpm. has anyone had anyexperiences with a 57 trim turbo what should i expect i know i'll be in boost around 4000 but at what point dose the turbo stop working ? i'm not sure weather i want to keep the turbo i have no or upgrade to lets say a 60-1 or a t3/t61

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b16bri &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hey Guys i've been wrighting in a lot here and i thank you guys for all the help i've been receiving my questions what to expect with a t3/to4e 57 trim full race set up i plan on running it on a built motor around 15-18 psi i'm hoping to make 400whp but my question is how are 57 trim turbos do they die out towards the top end like lest say a stock turboed car or do they keep making power to redline. right now my set up redlines around 9000 - 9500 and i would love to still make power till around that rpm. has anyone had anyexperiences with a 57 trim turbo what should i expect i know i'll be in boost around 4000 but at what point dose the turbo stop working ? i'm not sure weather i want to keep the turbo i have no or upgrade to lets say a 60-1 or a t3/t61 </TD></TR></TABLE>

That really depends upon your purpose of the car. Plenty here have done about 400whp with a 57 trim. Its the amount of duty you plan to give it at that level, and what you plan to use it for. Yes, it CAN be done, and I'm sure there are those that will post dynos of it on one gear, one speed, at peak power... But that's not my point. If you truly want to STAY at 400whp, and not have to worry about it being stressed and out of its efficiency, in a drag racing area of use, go a bit larger to the 60-1 or 61mm inducer. But MAKE SURE THE WHEEL IS A BIT LARGER THAN THE STAGE 3, like a P-Trim.

 

That turbo is probally perfect if thats what you do want to do is stay at 400hp. That turbo will hold boost up to about 25psi before it starts dieing off, 18 psi is right where the "sweet spot" is for that turbo.

I personally ran the 57trim, and am now running a 60-1 though. I like the 60-1, little more laggy, but for 500-600hp range is perfect for that turbo, which im doing. The 57 trim spools up ALOT faster, mine spooled @ 3k. If you don't plan on going over 400hp stick with it, but you may have more options with the 60-1 in the long run

 

57-trim here.........420whp@17psi on 94oct pump gas.

its a great turbo......

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SIXTY-1HATCH &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That turbo is probally perfect if thats what you do want to do is stay at 400hp. That turbo will hold boost up to about 25psi before it starts dieing off, 18 psi is right where the "sweet spot" is for that turbo.

I personally ran the 57trim, and am now running a 60-1 though. I like the 60-1, little more laggy, but for 500-600hp range is perfect for that turbo, which im doing. The 57 trim spools up ALOT faster, mine spooled @ 3k. If you don't plan on going over 400hp stick with it, but you may have more options with the 60-1 in the long run </TD></TR></TABLE>

every setup is different.. for me the "sweet spot" on that turbo was 22psi.

i run 25psi and have gone higher with no issues whatsoever.

im running a precision sc34. its a 57 trim, .63 a/r exhaust and i also have the ball bearing option.

 

here is another car

 

ya i'must unsure what to do it's a fully built motor just not sleeved block guard stupid move on my part so i dont want to boost the hell out of the motor and the turbo just to reach 400whp dont want to get to big and be all top end and no mid end. What about traction purposes wont i gain more traction with the 60-1 or t61 due to spooling later rather than my 57 making boost sooner? thats really my biggest reason for switching turbos traction purposes and top end pull for example my friend has a mazda speed 3 his car redlines at about 6700 but his turbo kinda dies around 5800 -6000 i just want to make sure that considering my motor will rev to around 9000 -9500 that i'll still make boost around that rpm if so and if traction shouldent make a difference in turbos than i'll stay and boost 17 18 psi i have full suspension and tractions bar so..

 

if youre worried about traction.....then worry about traction. you dont fix a problem by making another worse..

get a traction bar, big drag radials, LSD, solid motor mounts, drag suspension, etc.

do you want to go fast or do you want to go slow?

 

^^ Interesting point. Regardless, a change in turbocharger won't address your traction issues. It's the above mentioned components.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheShodan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Its the amount of duty you plan to give it at that level, and what you plan to use it for. Yes, it CAN be done, and I'm sure there are those that will post dynos of it on one gear, one speed, at peak power... But that's not my point. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Told ya someone was going to post a dyno sheet based upon this.

 

your right and i do have a traction bar omni power coilovers, and an LSD and buying hasport mounts, BF Goodrich geo forces... i didn't get drag suspension due to it's a street car and as far as going fast or slow i want to go fast of course lol i just want to find the right set up for 400whp and reliabliaty and even streetablity. I guess though someone said below the 60-1 might be a better choice b/c i wont have to stress it as much and i will have more options with it. This is my first turbo civic so this whole experience is new to me lol i dont know what to expect really. I guess i'm just looking for an all around fast car good on spool and good on mid/ top end i guess eaither one tho will do it's job.

 

a ole 60-1 will do you fine..

 

alright man thanks another quick question what A/R and trim do you recommend someone said bigger than a stage 3 wheel and a p trim what do you think i think for the A/R i would do the 63 not the 82 or 83 i forget excatly but if i'm not mistaken i herd the 82 A/R is very laggy

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b16bri &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">alright man thanks another quick question what A/R and trim do you recommend someone said bigger than a stage 3 wheel and a p trim what do you think i think for the A/R i would do the 63 not the 82 or 83 i forget excatly but if i'm not mistaken i herd the 82 A/R is very laggy </TD></TR></TABLE>

youre going to want the .63

 

you've got PM.

 

were these dyno graphs done with the 57 trim t3to4e or the 60-1... and no one has said how they like the t61 just incase i wanted to run 500hp

 

what about a 60-1 with stage 3 wheel and 82ar?

 

what about it

 

im suggesting it to u

 

That what i am running the 82 ar, i mean i guess you can say it's a little laggy starts to spool at around 4k but vtx at 5k and just blows the tires off the car. I personally like it for the street to so when your part throttle driving it's not spooling up, it only does when you actually want it to.
don't get me wrong i love the 57 trim also, but if you ever plan on turning the boost up thats the question, and usually everyone does

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbo boost &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what about a 60-1 with stage 3 wheel and 82ar?</TD></TR></TABLE>

For better use of the compressor wheel, I'd use the larger P-trim exhaust.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SIXTY-1HATCH &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That what i am running the 82 ar, i mean i guess you can say it's a little laggy starts to spool at around 4k but vtx at 5k and just blows the tires off the car. </TD></TR></TABLE>

What I don't get is people will loose more money selling a used turbo and buying a 60-1 than they would having a high-end electronic boost controller installed. They'll also have almost no traction issues, have a wider powerband, and be happier overall.

For a street FWD, a 57trim is all you'll ever need. Otherwise if its a track car, grow some ***** and go with a full t04/t67. A divided t4 mani will spool as quick as a t3 exhaust, and rev past 10k if needed.