Themouse

Just got my car dynoed this past saturday at xenocron tuning in Jersey,Thought i'd post up the graph. This was dynoed on a dyno dynamics dyno
The Set up:
A b16 bored to 85mm Golden eagle sleeved, 9-1 comp pistons, Eagle Rods, Acl Race Bearings, Type R head Skunk2 Ti retainers Supertech dual valve springs, Gsr Cams, Victor x IM, Rc 750cc inj, Ram horn, Garret T3/T04e 60 trim, 3in open downpipe, 50mm Syncronic wastegate, Methanol Injection
All on 16psi



Modified by Themouse at 4:47 PM 3/12/2008

CerealKiller

nice

Ramma

What is your base fuel pressure? What was your duty cycle?

DC-2uned

Bump for Jeff and his high hp smallblock. I got a text from Pingo the other day saying "170mph is really fast." You gotta slow the f**k down, it's a civic, not a ferrari (even though you could probably beat one) lol. You ever solve that axle issue? Otherwise how things back home?

Themouse

Everythings good man yea I sent the axles out to get fixed and yerr never doin 170 ever again lol and the stockers are holding up

Ramma:I'lll get back to you on that not sure on the Duty Cycle have to ask the tuner

DC-2uned

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Themouse &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> the stockers are holding up</TD></TR></TABLE>

Anyone want to explain to me how you can break prototype race axles rated for well over 500whp while still on the dyno then replace them with stockers and beat around on the streets all day without issues? OEM Honda FTMFW, I told you to get a traction bar before axles hahaha

Themouse

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DC-2uned &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Anyone want to explain to me how you can break prototype race axles rated for well over 500whp while still on the dyno then replace them with stockers and beat around on the streets all day without issues? OEM Honda FTMFW, I told you to get a traction bar before axles hahaha</TD></TR></TABLE>

LOL F*** YERR for OEM axles lol I'm gettin a traction bar soon

093turbo16

iTrader: (2)

Good stuff man, looks like a lot of FUN!

Schister66

So, what does this amount to in whp?? If you factor a 15% drivetrain loss, you're looking at about ~404whp which to me seems a lot more likely for the turbo and boost pressure. Not trying to rain on your parade, but i'm not a fan of bragging up Brake Horsepower.

leed

It is a rolling dyno. Dyno Dynamics just displays 'flywheel' on the screen.

boostedDA

iTrader: (1)

Nice numbers man. If I do recall, Dynamics reads about 13% lower than your dynojet numbers...so...thumbs up.

quicksilver1689

hmm 16psi with a t3/t4 60 trim, so is this crank hp or to the actual wheels, i didnt think you would make so much hp with that turbo at 16psi. i guess i shouldnt underestimate a 60 trim lol.

nowtype

That spool is SUPER lazy for that turbo/setup.

093turbo16

iTrader: (2)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nowtype &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That spool is SUPER lazy for that turbo/setup.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I did notice that as well.. looks a bit late.

Themouse

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 93turbo16 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I did notice that as well.. looks a bit late.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I thought so to that it should have spooled up alittle faster i don't know if it has to do with my adapter plate because its a t4 manifold and t3 turbo but Its a whole lot of fun, kind of hard to keep her on the road.

b16bri

Hey bro nice numbers i'm hoping for about the same my set up is simular to yours. I was gonna take a ride down to xenocron on saturday but couldent make it. I'm getting my car tuned there in about 2 weeks tho. Did you like them ?

Themouse

Yea the guy who owns it and Tunes is Chris Harris, really cool guy knows what hes doing and always helps me out if anything goes wrong would definitaly recommend him to anyone, if you could tell him i recommended you, i've been to him about 4 times already.

HamiltonRex

what size nozzle are you using on the meth kit.. and what mix are you using ??

Schister66

The reason for the slow spool and the higher-than-average power output IS because the car was probably run on something loadless that measures engine power output rather than loaded whp. Without something like nitrous, those power numbers aren't even possible on the 60trim at 16psi...read the compressor map once. The turbo is barely a 50lb/min turbo (based on this graph) and wouldn't be able to make 475whp without higher boost unless this setup is some kind of anomoly.

http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/tu...0.gif

nowtype

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Schister66 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The reason for the slow spool and the higher-than-average power output IS because the car was probably run on something loadless that measures engine power output rather than loaded whp. Without something like nitrous, those power numbers aren't even possible on the 60trim at 16psi...read the compressor map once. The turbo is barely a 50lb/min turbo (based on this graph) and wouldn't be able to make 475whp without higher boost unless this setup is some kind of anomoly.

http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/tu...0.gif</TD></TR></TABLE>

At 2.1 PR (roughly 16psi) the turbo can make somewhere produce 45-50lb/min. That is plenty of air.

Schister66

I'm basing a lot of my argument on a local car built by SLS. He's running a similar setup, but with a 57trim and no meth injection. They had to run it up to 21psi in order to hit 451.9whp with their B16.

I guess it is possible, especially considering this engine is an 85mm....i'm not "doubting" necessarily, but there are a few factors that make me think this is all a dyno trick. I still dont see why it spools so late with such a big engine...

nowtype

57 trim wheels suck in comparison to 50 and 60 trim wheels. As for the spool, could be a million reasons. That's up to them to figure out.

champLSinteg

That does seem high but I made 416 on 15psi with 91oct and full exhaust. He is running open downpipe and methanol injection so it could be possible. The very late spool is what is throwing me off. I had full boost around 5500 so i dont know whats up there. If these numbers are infact whp on a 60trim then

Themouse

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HamiltonRex &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what size nozzle are you using on the meth kit.. and what mix are you using ??

</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm using the 450-500 hp nozzle that what it said the Boost cooler manual and i'm using the boost Juice and these numbers are very possible considering the meth and open down pipe before i turned the meth on the car was only making low 400's

093turbo16

iTrader: (2)

Do you have a graph without the meth on 16 psi? Maybe that would ease some of the questions.