300+ WHP JRSC setup
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300+ WHP JRSC setup
Motor:
Dart B20+ tall deck block
95mm crank
5.967" rods
85mm bore (about 2.2L)
JE -2cc pistons
(bottom end assembly by Tobi at TC Performance)
RLZ's old race car head with streetable valvetrain and .040 Cometic gasket
GSR cams -w- GE cam gears and 2 degrees of intake retard
B16A2 transmission
Competition Clutch Stage 5
JRSC Kit:
Endyn-modified M62 blower -w- Pulleyboys 3.4" pulley
LHT intercooler (water-air, Laminova cores built into modified JR intake manifold)
Full-sized half-width 3" core aluminum radiator for cooling
Johnson magnetic 6 GPM silent pump
Ported (to 75mm) S-tube with IACV port filled in
75mm Mustang throttle body -w- Edelbrock adapter plate
AEM cloth filter on TB (this will probably change, Howard at RLZ put a 3" CAI pipe on it on the dyno and it gained some HP)
MVM B16 stepper pulley
Fluidampr street crank pulley (slightly larger than stock, but not as big as a CRV pulley)
Dayco Polycog belts
Other:
Modified IACV
AEM EMS
AEM CDI with COP
Tony1 Hall-Effect ingition trigger setup
Tuning by JDogg
We made a bit over 300 WHP on 8 PSI of boost, with a little over 200 lb/ft of torque that comes on as soon as you hit the gas. Peak temps at 8 PSI at max RPM hit 105 degrees after a few runs, but were generally less than 100 degrees during a pull. That's all through a RMF Narrow N/A header with a 2" collector. A custom big-collector header is in the works for it. The power actually surprised us, and the injector duty cycle (over 80% on RC 750's, A/F at 12), which is also surprising. There wasn't a printer on the dyno, but I'll get it to a local club dyno day soon and get a graph posted. The torque curve is just like any other JRSC torque curve, and the HP is a straight ramp, very easy to control the power.
I love this setup, I think I'll keep it, maybe a shot of nitrous for drag racing, but that's it. I mostly do road courses and autocross in it, but occasionally I'll drag race. This is my daily driver and my only car. I'll be running it at VIR next weekend, it should be a lot of fun on the track. Many thanks to John at LHT ( http://www.lhtperformance.net ), Jason ( JDogg - https://honda-tech.com/zerouser...49707 ), Brad and Howard at RLZ ( http://www.hondaraceengines.com ), and Tobi Connell at TC Performance ( http://www.tcperf.com ).
Here's some pics:
Here's the water pump, it's mounted in front of the radiator:
Here's the manifold/SC/TB assembly:
Here's the polished LHT manifold. It's a B16 manifold that I modified for a GSR head:
Here's the 75mm Mustang throtle body and the AEM filter:
I had to modify the IACV by making a port and running it to a breather filter because the stock IACV passage through the throttle body can't be used with this setup:
I put in an extra 3" aluminum radiator in the car for the intercooler. This is a $99 ebay special Civic radiator, not as heavy-duty or with the quality of welds as my Fluidyne, but it should be sufficient for this. It's mounted to my traction bar support on the bottom and I made a bracket/bushing setup for the top. I had to cut off the A/C radiator mounts because they were too high to mount the radiator:
I cut off and plugged the stock inlet/outlet because they were too big and too close to the header.
I drilled out and 1/8" NPT tapped the mounting fittings to put in a 3/8" hose barb for the intercooler hoses.
I put a slim pusher fan on the extra radiator on a relay with the water pump, they both run full-time.
$5 Pep Boys expansion tank, but I did drill it out and put seals with 3/8" brass fittings on the bottom because the fittings on the tank were so tiny.
Another pic of the expansion tank mounting location.
And here's the whole setup:
More info any dyno results as I get it further tweaked. And I know the wiring is a mess, I'll clean it up later.
Dart B20+ tall deck block
95mm crank
5.967" rods
85mm bore (about 2.2L)
JE -2cc pistons
(bottom end assembly by Tobi at TC Performance)
RLZ's old race car head with streetable valvetrain and .040 Cometic gasket
GSR cams -w- GE cam gears and 2 degrees of intake retard
B16A2 transmission
Competition Clutch Stage 5
JRSC Kit:
Endyn-modified M62 blower -w- Pulleyboys 3.4" pulley
LHT intercooler (water-air, Laminova cores built into modified JR intake manifold)
Full-sized half-width 3" core aluminum radiator for cooling
Johnson magnetic 6 GPM silent pump
Ported (to 75mm) S-tube with IACV port filled in
75mm Mustang throttle body -w- Edelbrock adapter plate
AEM cloth filter on TB (this will probably change, Howard at RLZ put a 3" CAI pipe on it on the dyno and it gained some HP)
MVM B16 stepper pulley
Fluidampr street crank pulley (slightly larger than stock, but not as big as a CRV pulley)
Dayco Polycog belts
Other:
Modified IACV
AEM EMS
AEM CDI with COP
Tony1 Hall-Effect ingition trigger setup
Tuning by JDogg
We made a bit over 300 WHP on 8 PSI of boost, with a little over 200 lb/ft of torque that comes on as soon as you hit the gas. Peak temps at 8 PSI at max RPM hit 105 degrees after a few runs, but were generally less than 100 degrees during a pull. That's all through a RMF Narrow N/A header with a 2" collector. A custom big-collector header is in the works for it. The power actually surprised us, and the injector duty cycle (over 80% on RC 750's, A/F at 12), which is also surprising. There wasn't a printer on the dyno, but I'll get it to a local club dyno day soon and get a graph posted. The torque curve is just like any other JRSC torque curve, and the HP is a straight ramp, very easy to control the power.
I love this setup, I think I'll keep it, maybe a shot of nitrous for drag racing, but that's it. I mostly do road courses and autocross in it, but occasionally I'll drag race. This is my daily driver and my only car. I'll be running it at VIR next weekend, it should be a lot of fun on the track. Many thanks to John at LHT ( http://www.lhtperformance.net ), Jason ( JDogg - https://honda-tech.com/zerouser...49707 ), Brad and Howard at RLZ ( http://www.hondaraceengines.com ), and Tobi Connell at TC Performance ( http://www.tcperf.com ).
Here's some pics:
Here's the water pump, it's mounted in front of the radiator:
Here's the manifold/SC/TB assembly:
Here's the polished LHT manifold. It's a B16 manifold that I modified for a GSR head:
Here's the 75mm Mustang throtle body and the AEM filter:
I had to modify the IACV by making a port and running it to a breather filter because the stock IACV passage through the throttle body can't be used with this setup:
I put in an extra 3" aluminum radiator in the car for the intercooler. This is a $99 ebay special Civic radiator, not as heavy-duty or with the quality of welds as my Fluidyne, but it should be sufficient for this. It's mounted to my traction bar support on the bottom and I made a bracket/bushing setup for the top. I had to cut off the A/C radiator mounts because they were too high to mount the radiator:
I cut off and plugged the stock inlet/outlet because they were too big and too close to the header.
I drilled out and 1/8" NPT tapped the mounting fittings to put in a 3/8" hose barb for the intercooler hoses.
I put a slim pusher fan on the extra radiator on a relay with the water pump, they both run full-time.
$5 Pep Boys expansion tank, but I did drill it out and put seals with 3/8" brass fittings on the bottom because the fittings on the tank were so tiny.
Another pic of the expansion tank mounting location.
And here's the whole setup:
More info any dyno results as I get it further tweaked. And I know the wiring is a mess, I'll clean it up later.
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Re: (2point2)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2point2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wow, nice setup.. i wonder what it SOUNDS like.. </TD></TR></TABLE>
The blower has an interesting wail to it, I think the stuff Endyn did to it made it louder. I have a 3" TR turbo exhaust on it, so it does get a bit loud.
The blower has an interesting wail to it, I think the stuff Endyn did to it made it louder. I have a 3" TR turbo exhaust on it, so it does get a bit loud.
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Re: (rmcdaniels)
Good job McDaniels ! , I told you it's better than All Motor .....
I bet it's a blast to drive with all that power anywhere in the rpm band, A header is a must!
I bet it's a blast to drive with all that power anywhere in the rpm band, A header is a must!
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cubish »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">funny thing is..that motor with some more compression and big cams would make like 270+ on motor</TD></TR></TABLE>
Excellent observation, this motor was originally built as an all-motor beast. The compression is already pretty high, probably in the 11-12 range. We tried it with big cams and ITB's, and it fell on its face, torque drops off the chart above 6000 RPM. We think it's the 95mm crank/long-rod combo, just the wrong geometry for making top-end power, plus those rods are heavy. If I'd used some shorter rods, then it might have had a chance, but at least I shouldn't have side-loading issues. The torque curve is about identical with the SC as it was N/A, it's just up up higher in the chart.
P.S. - It made 215 WHP N/A. Advice to all, if you build for all-motor, use shorter rods than I did.
Excellent observation, this motor was originally built as an all-motor beast. The compression is already pretty high, probably in the 11-12 range. We tried it with big cams and ITB's, and it fell on its face, torque drops off the chart above 6000 RPM. We think it's the 95mm crank/long-rod combo, just the wrong geometry for making top-end power, plus those rods are heavy. If I'd used some shorter rods, then it might have had a chance, but at least I shouldn't have side-loading issues. The torque curve is about identical with the SC as it was N/A, it's just up up higher in the chart.
P.S. - It made 215 WHP N/A. Advice to all, if you build for all-motor, use shorter rods than I did.
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Re: 300+ WHP JRSC setup (rmcdaniels)
seems like a shitload of money was spent and work was done for that....
but i guess if you were really worried about having that quick of a power engagement then props to you
but clean up those wires/hoses a bit!!
but i guess if you were really worried about having that quick of a power engagement then props to you
but clean up those wires/hoses a bit!!
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Re: 300+ WHP JRSC setup (rmcdaniels)
Do you have one of the new or old c2di units? I have one of the old ones and it is having problems so I had to send it back to AEM..
AFAIK, Anyone with an older style c2di can upgrade to the new one for free..
AFAIK, Anyone with an older style c2di can upgrade to the new one for free..
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Re: 300+ WHP JRSC setup (m R g S r)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by m R g S r »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">seems like a shitload of money was spent and work was done for that....
but i guess if you were really worried about having that quick of a power engagement then props to you
but clean up those wires/hoses a bit!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
John at LHT got similar results with a B20/VTEC setup, so it could be done a lot cheaper. I wanted to try the big-crank/long-rod setup, so I went with the big $ Dart-block solution, plus I run it on road courses and wanted it to be extra reliable when I'm running it at 75%-100% for hours at a time, and I'd like to get a few years of use out of it.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tgreaves »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Do you have one of the new or old c2di units? I have one of the old ones and it is having problems so I had to send it back to AEM..
AFAIK, Anyone with an older style c2di can upgrade to the new one for free..</TD></TR></TABLE>
I've got one or two dead ones laying around, and I know others with even more dead ones.
but i guess if you were really worried about having that quick of a power engagement then props to you
but clean up those wires/hoses a bit!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
John at LHT got similar results with a B20/VTEC setup, so it could be done a lot cheaper. I wanted to try the big-crank/long-rod setup, so I went with the big $ Dart-block solution, plus I run it on road courses and wanted it to be extra reliable when I'm running it at 75%-100% for hours at a time, and I'd like to get a few years of use out of it.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tgreaves »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Do you have one of the new or old c2di units? I have one of the old ones and it is having problems so I had to send it back to AEM..
AFAIK, Anyone with an older style c2di can upgrade to the new one for free..</TD></TR></TABLE>
I've got one or two dead ones laying around, and I know others with even more dead ones.
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Re: 300+ WHP JRSC setup (rmcdaniels)
dam sick, u think adding like a intake arm like a 3 inch with a vs like a 5 inch opening would yeld more gains like it does on all motor, becuase runing stright filter isn't the best for whp #'s
sick #'s for supercharged tho, clean the bay a bit i like it
sick #'s for supercharged tho, clean the bay a bit i like it
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Re: 300+ WHP JRSC setup (Quad-Damage)
it made more power with an aem ITR CAI than it did w/just the filter on the tb.. roger just hasnt had time to make an intake for it, the CAI belonged to RLZ, we just borrowed it for the dyno session.
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I got that short 3" intake tube that Danny had laying around on it tonight, and I'll probably clean up the wires tomorrow. I don't want to go to tech inspection this weekend with that wire-nut hell under the hood. I've got a lot of stuff to do still before VIR, and my new brakes haven't even arrived yet.
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congrats on the setup.i didnt think it was possible to make 300hp. i see your running coil packs, whats the advatage over a distributor?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 225DC2GSR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">congrats on the setup.i didnt think it was possible to make 300hp. i see your running coil packs, whats the advatage over a distributor?</TD></TR></TABLE>
The Hall effect sensor makes a much cleaner signal, and eliminates misfires. It's not as critical now as it was when I was running over 20 PSI of boost, but it does made my idle very smooth.
The Hall effect sensor makes a much cleaner signal, and eliminates misfires. It's not as critical now as it was when I was running over 20 PSI of boost, but it does made my idle very smooth.
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Re: 300+ WHP JRSC setup (rmcdaniels)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rmcdaniels »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I got that short 3" intake tube that Danny had laying around on it tonight, and I'll probably clean up the wires tomorrow. I don't want to go to tech inspection this weekend with that wire-nut hell under the hood. I've got a lot of stuff to do still before VIR, and my new brakes haven't even arrived yet.</TD></TR></TABLE>
if you were looking for brakes...you should have posted.. i have a bear setup for real cheap 13 front/12.1 rear
<---rob....SHHHHHHHH
if you were looking for brakes...you should have posted.. i have a bear setup for real cheap 13 front/12.1 rear
<---rob....SHHHHHHHH
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Re: 300+ WHP JRSC setup (s13-t)
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if you were looking for brakes...you should have posted.. i have a bear setup for real cheap 13 front/12.1 rear
<---rob....SHHHHHHHH</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm interested, shoot me an e-mail with details and a price.
if you were looking for brakes...you should have posted.. i have a bear setup for real cheap 13 front/12.1 rear
<---rob....SHHHHHHHH</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm interested, shoot me an e-mail with details and a price.
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another great supercharger build.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mase »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">someone clean up that engine bay!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
its a race car, not a show car.
Modified by STREETWERKZ at 3:45 PM 4/7/2006
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its a race car, not a show car.
Modified by STREETWERKZ at 3:45 PM 4/7/2006
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by STREETWERKZ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">another great supercharger build.
its a race car, not a show car.
Modified by STREETWERKZ at 3:45 PM 4/7/2006</TD></TR></TABLE>
function over fashion... congrats on 300whp+ club
its a race car, not a show car.
Modified by STREETWERKZ at 3:45 PM 4/7/2006</TD></TR></TABLE>
function over fashion... congrats on 300whp+ club