-iLLuZioN-B18C1

okay, a few weeks ago i recently got my car to the dyno for the first time.
i dynoed in at 278 whp w/ 217 tq at 13 psi. brief info on the motor:
1994 B18C1 81.5 mm.
JE 9.0:1
Eagle Rods
STR blockguard

Max-Rev manifold and downpipe(2 1/2")
Max-Rev IC w/ Revhard IC piping
Garrett T3/To4e .57 trim, .63 ar
Tial 35 mm HP wastegate
Greddy Type S BOV

3Â’ Thermal exhaust
(no cat, just a adapter to connect my 2 1/2" dp to 3" exhaust)
Skunk2 camgears
Skunk2 manifold
Hondata 2B
RC 550 cc.
Walbro 255 lph

now some people told me to check my compression and i ran
1: 180
2: 180
3: 180
4: 180

i also checked my timing and they are at 0,0

so i know the compression is good. i know that my power is a bit low for 13 psi with my trim turbo, so do yall have any idea on what might be killing my power?

Happyman

A kid around my house put 300+ down on 8 psi with a t3/t04e. Stock motor.

Mase

remember you have 9.0:1 CR pistons, some people run higher.

Also, your hondata tune may be more conservative than others

-iLLuZioN-B18C1

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mase &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">remember you have 9.0:1 CR pistons, some people run higher.

Also, your hondata tune may be more conservative than others</TD></TR></TABLE>

so your saying you wouldnt be disappointed with 278 whp at 13 psi?
i was thinking many people made more than this. i was expecting to be at least over 300 whp.

Happyman

Stock GSR is what? 10:1?

r7

should be higher.. 245 whp @ 7psi, b16a here..

HXMan

What kind of dyno?

-iLLuZioN-B18C1

stock is 10.1 for gsr


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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by r7 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">should be higher.. 245 whp @ 7psi, b16a here..</TD></TR></TABLE>

are you on stock CR or do you have 9.1???


oh, and i dont think this would matter too much but i could be wrong.
i wasnt running a filter or anything at all on the compressor when i was dynoing.
but i doubt that matters.

Mase

who tuned your hondata, and what timing are u running at 13 psi?

and what AFR was it tuned to?

bretx0r

.57 trim t3/t04e @ 13psi... conservatively tuned sounds about right

-iLLuZioN-B18C1

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bretx0r &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">.57 trim t3/t04e @ 13psi... conservatively tuned sounds about right</TD></TR></TABLE>


well the tuner is Ed here in GA at balanced performance. im not doubting his skills b/c hes tuned some very powerful cars down here and they all have been running strong.

he has been known to tune conservatively, but the same day he tuned a built b18c1 at 28 psi to 580 whp.

so do yall all think it is the tuning and not my motor?? i was thinking it was my motor and not the tuning b/c he has tuned high hp cars.

i know the block is good b/c the compression is all there. but i dont know what else may be causing such low numbers at 13 psi.

Killer_B

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by -iLLuZioN-B18C1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">okay, a few weeks ago i recently got my car to the dyno for the first time.
i dynoed in at 278 whp w/ 217 tq at 13 psi. brief info on the motor:</TD></TR></TABLE>


how much power were you expecting?

welcome to the real world, not HT !

Mase

hrmm to be honest, ive heard some mixed opinions abour ur tuner, regardless Im gonna say its the tune. unless there is an exhaust leak or something before the turbo....that could cause a loss in power. did that guy give u a printout of your dyno chart?

-iLLuZioN-B18C1

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mase &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hrmm to be honest, ive heard some mixed opinions abour ur tuner, regardless Im gonna say its the tune. unless there is an exhaust leak or something before the turbo....that could cause a loss in power. did that guy give u a printout of your dyno chart? </TD></TR></TABLE>


this is the chart where i posted.

https://honda-tech.com/zero...77973

but for some reason all i see is red X's. im not on my home cpu right now, when i do ill check everything out to see why i cant see the chart.

mase, do you know of another tuner that you think is good in GA??
what bad things have you heard about ed?? all ive heard is good.
i could be wrong though.

Mase

I forget who it was, but Ed dicked over somone on here pretty bad. and on that post someone else chimed in w/ a bad experience as well.

I cant see the picture. the server must be down.

See if you can get the .bin from this guy ed, have him email it to you, and forward it to me, I can take a look at it and see how your timing is set.

I noticed in your other post about the rough idle? whats that about, sounds to me he gave u a half-*** tune.

Killer_B

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mase &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ed dicked over somone on here pretty bad. and on that post someone else chimed in w/ a bad experience as well. I noticed in your other post about the rough idle? whats that about, sounds to me he gave u a half-*** tune.
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keep in mind that a lot of guys on HT are like sheep. meaning they like to jump on the bandwagon but if they got jerked, then it needs to be known .

Deluzional

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keep in mind that a lot of guys on HT are like sheep. meaning they like to jump on the bandwagon but if they got jerked, then it needs to be known .</TD></TR></TABLE>


What are you talking about?? I dont see people having issues with tuners as bandwagon jumping

Killer_B

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What are you talking about?? I dont see people having issues with tuners as bandwagon jumping</TD></TR></TABLE>

here we go!

just let it be homeboy.

Mr. Softee

How much did you expect to make?

MachAF

Your timing is at 0? or the cam gears are set at 0,0?

If the timing is zero, that why your getting low power.

TurboJesse

i made over ~300@ 13psi, b16a with thicker headgasket, i also have similar tq...I would expect higher..

GruvyTune

tuned right, a b18C should make about 350HP at 14psi with the right components. I had almost exact same setup and thats what my car made. most others i have tuned are about the same give or take 15-20HP

TeStUdO

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GruvyTune &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">tuned right, a b18C should make about 350HP at 14psi with the right components. I had almost exact same setup and thats what my car made. most others i have tuned are about the same give or take 15-20HP</TD></TR></TABLE>

Must be a real conservative tune, what are your A/F ratios up top??

TurboJesse

my tune is really conservative and my a/f is 11:8-11:9...and im still making alot more power on a b16a

-iLLuZioN-B18C1

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MachAF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Your timing is at 0? or the cam gears are set at 0,0?

If the timing is zero, that why your getting low power.</TD></TR></TABLE>

my bad, i meant the cam gears are set at 0,0