12:1 H22 with nitrous?
07-12-2004, 10:55 AM
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12:1 H22 with nitrous?
Anyone running 200-250 shot of nitrous on a high compression H22? I'm leaning towards squeezing sometimes to compete in the one power adder class if its not too competitive and run all motor if it is. Here's my setup as of now:
I currently have a 2001 H22A4 Prelude VTEC engine in my 93 Civic CX hatch that has:
Wiseco Pistons 12:1
Eagle Rods
Darton Sleeves
Crower SS Valves
Hondata S200
Walbro 255LPH
RC440cc injectors
I currently have a 2001 H22A4 Prelude VTEC engine in my 93 Civic CX hatch that has:
Wiseco Pistons 12:1
Eagle Rods
Darton Sleeves
Crower SS Valves
Hondata S200
Walbro 255LPH
RC440cc injectors
07-12-2004, 02:41 PM
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Re: 12:1 H22 with nitrous? (h22 civic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by h22 civic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">250 shot-12.1=about 30psi boost now 440 injectors eagle rods and weisco,hmmmmmm im still saying no</TD></TR></TABLE>
Unless he's spraying a dry shot injectors don't even factor into the equation. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with eagle rods either.
I say go direct port and make sure you're running C16 and start off slow and you'll be fine.
Unless he's spraying a dry shot injectors don't even factor into the equation. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with eagle rods either.
I say go direct port and make sure you're running C16 and start off slow and you'll be fine.
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Re: 12:1 H22 with nitrous? (93H22ACX)
Get youself a nitrous progressive controller and lot of tuning. Nitrous actually like high compression engine. And don't be greedy with the timing. Usually timing is your main problem when running nitrous.
07-13-2004, 03:24 AM
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Re: 12:1 H22 with nitrous? (Turbo9Nut)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by h22 civic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">250 shot-12.1=about 30psi boost now 440 injectors eagle rods and weisco,hmmmmmm im still saying no</TD></TR></TABLE>
Forgot that I would need bigger injectors....but how did you compute 30psi?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boosted92 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Unless he's spraying a dry shot injectors don't even factor into the equation. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with eagle rods either.
I say go direct port and make sure you're running C16 and start off slow and you'll be fine.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i was thinking about direct port and I have Honata to tune out when nitrous is injected in...and always C16.
07-13-2004, 12:43 PM
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Re: 12:1 H22 with nitrous? (h22 civic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by h22 civic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">id say dry shot cause that fuel pump aint goin to support what he is trying to use</TD></TR></TABLE>
That makes no sense at all. No matter if it's wet or dry the fuel pump is still the only thing supplying fuel to the motor. And it's a 255 LPH pump, unless he's making around 400 WHP on the motor he isn't going to have a problem spraying it with a 250 shot.
I would highly recommend building your own direct port kit. For almost all direct port kits i've touched their designed to run at low fuel pressures like those of a carbed car. This presents a predicament for an EFI car because the fuel pressure is always much higher. Therefor you need to run a seperate fuel cell with a seperate fuel pump and regulator just for the nitrous kit, which can be a hassle. If you build your own kit and just use it to inject the nitrous, then use the hondata to control the fueling and it'll work like a charm. Then you won't have to hassle with a fuel solenoid to fail, or the additional plumbing required, not to mention the additional fuel cell. If you're going to spray like I just suggested, I would upgrade to some bigger injectors. PTE sells 1000CC'ers for 85 bucks each, so it's fairly cheap to upgrade. If you want any more help feel free to PM me. I'm by no means a nitrous expert, but there arn't many people on here that run nitrous so I feel i'm a pretty good source.
That makes no sense at all. No matter if it's wet or dry the fuel pump is still the only thing supplying fuel to the motor. And it's a 255 LPH pump, unless he's making around 400 WHP on the motor he isn't going to have a problem spraying it with a 250 shot.
I would highly recommend building your own direct port kit. For almost all direct port kits i've touched their designed to run at low fuel pressures like those of a carbed car. This presents a predicament for an EFI car because the fuel pressure is always much higher. Therefor you need to run a seperate fuel cell with a seperate fuel pump and regulator just for the nitrous kit, which can be a hassle. If you build your own kit and just use it to inject the nitrous, then use the hondata to control the fueling and it'll work like a charm. Then you won't have to hassle with a fuel solenoid to fail, or the additional plumbing required, not to mention the additional fuel cell. If you're going to spray like I just suggested, I would upgrade to some bigger injectors. PTE sells 1000CC'ers for 85 bucks each, so it's fairly cheap to upgrade. If you want any more help feel free to PM me. I'm by no means a nitrous expert, but there arn't many people on here that run nitrous so I feel i'm a pretty good source.
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Re: 12:1 H22 with nitrous? (boosted92)
a 200-250 shot is a good bit. you are also goign to have a super hard time getting traction and be going through bottles like nothing. I have a similar setup to yours, planning on running a 100-150 shot direct port, assembling motor this week.. (ge sleeves, ib spec pistons, eagle ultrlight rods.. headwork ect.) only running 11:1 CR, in the car we are thinking to hit high 11's all motor and highto mid 10's on the nitrous.. how fast do you want to run?!
07-13-2004, 03:12 PM
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Re: 12:1 H22 with nitrous? (boosted92)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boosted92 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
That makes no sense at all. No matter if it's wet or dry the fuel pump is still the only thing supplying fuel to the motor. And it's a 255 LPH pump, unless he's making around 400 WHP on the motor he isn't going to have a problem spraying it with a 250 shot.
I would highly recommend building your own direct port kit. For almost all direct port kits i've touched their designed to run at low fuel pressures like those of a carbed car. This presents a predicament for an EFI car because the fuel pressure is always much higher. Therefor you need to run a seperate fuel cell with a seperate fuel pump and regulator just for the nitrous kit, which can be a hassle. If you build your own kit and just use it to inject the nitrous, then use the hondata to control the fueling and it'll work like a charm. Then you won't have to hassle with a fuel solenoid to fail, or the additional plumbing required, not to mention the additional fuel cell. If you're going to spray like I just suggested, I would upgrade to some bigger injectors. PTE sells 1000CC'ers for 85 bucks each, so it's fairly cheap to upgrade. If you want any more help feel free to PM me. I'm by no means a nitrous expert, but there arn't many people on here that run nitrous so I feel i'm a pretty good source.</TD></TR></TABLE>
hmmmm so pretty much you saying that the set up he described built 12.1 h22 with a 250 shot and you see no prob with his fuel set up?i will gaurentee you put that fuel set up and your motor is toast after 2 bottles.and i also see no reason why that set up cant make upwards of 400 whp just that setup on motor will make more then 200 whp why would ya take a chance on a fuel pump ..me personally would run a seperate fuel system when going that high on a hit ,unless you just got money and blocks laying round like that
by the way i compared the 250 shot to boost cause as a ruel of thumb every psi of boost is bout 10 hp give or take on a basic system,,thats just my $0.2. either way give it a shot and let us know 
That makes no sense at all. No matter if it's wet or dry the fuel pump is still the only thing supplying fuel to the motor. And it's a 255 LPH pump, unless he's making around 400 WHP on the motor he isn't going to have a problem spraying it with a 250 shot.
I would highly recommend building your own direct port kit. For almost all direct port kits i've touched their designed to run at low fuel pressures like those of a carbed car. This presents a predicament for an EFI car because the fuel pressure is always much higher. Therefor you need to run a seperate fuel cell with a seperate fuel pump and regulator just for the nitrous kit, which can be a hassle. If you build your own kit and just use it to inject the nitrous, then use the hondata to control the fueling and it'll work like a charm. Then you won't have to hassle with a fuel solenoid to fail, or the additional plumbing required, not to mention the additional fuel cell. If you're going to spray like I just suggested, I would upgrade to some bigger injectors. PTE sells 1000CC'ers for 85 bucks each, so it's fairly cheap to upgrade. If you want any more help feel free to PM me. I'm by no means a nitrous expert, but there arn't many people on here that run nitrous so I feel i'm a pretty good source.</TD></TR></TABLE>
hmmmm so pretty much you saying that the set up he described built 12.1 h22 with a 250 shot and you see no prob with his fuel set up?i will gaurentee you put that fuel set up and your motor is toast after 2 bottles.and i also see no reason why that set up cant make upwards of 400 whp just that setup on motor will make more then 200 whp why would ya take a chance on a fuel pump ..me personally would run a seperate fuel system when going that high on a hit ,unless you just got money and blocks laying round like that
by the way i compared the 250 shot to boost cause as a ruel of thumb every psi of boost is bout 10 hp give or take on a basic system,,thats just my $0.2. either way give it a shot and let us know
07-13-2004, 03:41 PM
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Re: 12:1 H22 with nitrous? (h22 civic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by h22 civic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
hmmmm so pretty much you saying that the set up he described built 12.1 h22 with a 250 shot and you see no prob with his fuel set up?i will gaurentee you put that fuel set up and your motor is toast after 2 bottles.and i also see no reason why that set up cant make upwards of 400 whp just that setup on motor will make more then 200 whp why would ya take a chance on a fuel pump ..me personally would run a seperate fuel system when going that high on a hit ,unless you just got money and blocks laying round like thatby the way i compared the 250 shot to boost cause as a ruel of thumb every psi of boost is bout 10 hp give or take on a basic system,,thats just my $0.2. either way give it a shot and let us know </TD></TR></TABLE>
2 bottles, are you a fool? I have made 433 WHP @ 12 psi with my car. I've had the boost up as high as 23 psi, with a single walbro pump. I can guarantee you that at 23 pounds of boost I am making more power than he's going to with an H22 and a 250 shot. All the arguments you've made in this topic make NO sense, from the rods to the injectors, the dry setup comment, and then the fuel pump.
About your 400 WHP comment, cripes, read stuff through instead of trying to just skim over.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boosted92 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">unless he's making around 400 WHP on the motor he isn't going to have a problem spraying it with a 250 shot.</TD></TR></TABLE>
On the motor means off the bottle. I meant it to be semi sarcastic, since obviously no gasoline powered 4 cylinder honda motor is going to make 400 horsepower to the wheels without a power adder.
hmmmm so pretty much you saying that the set up he described built 12.1 h22 with a 250 shot and you see no prob with his fuel set up?i will gaurentee you put that fuel set up and your motor is toast after 2 bottles.and i also see no reason why that set up cant make upwards of 400 whp just that setup on motor will make more then 200 whp why would ya take a chance on a fuel pump ..me personally would run a seperate fuel system when going that high on a hit ,unless you just got money and blocks laying round like that
by the way i compared the 250 shot to boost cause as a ruel of thumb every psi of boost is bout 10 hp give or take on a basic system,,thats just my $0.2. either way give it a shot and let us know </TD></TR></TABLE>2 bottles, are you a fool? I have made 433 WHP @ 12 psi with my car. I've had the boost up as high as 23 psi, with a single walbro pump. I can guarantee you that at 23 pounds of boost I am making more power than he's going to with an H22 and a 250 shot. All the arguments you've made in this topic make NO sense, from the rods to the injectors, the dry setup comment, and then the fuel pump.
About your 400 WHP comment, cripes, read stuff through instead of trying to just skim over.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boosted92 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">unless he's making around 400 WHP on the motor he isn't going to have a problem spraying it with a 250 shot.</TD></TR></TABLE>
On the motor means off the bottle. I meant it to be semi sarcastic, since obviously no gasoline powered 4 cylinder honda motor is going to make 400 horsepower to the wheels without a power adder.
07-14-2004, 02:47 AM
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Re: 12:1 H22 with nitrous? (boosted92)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by h22 civic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
hmmmm so pretty much you saying that the set up he described built 12.1 h22 with a 250 shot and you see no prob with his fuel set up?i will gaurentee you put that fuel set up and your motor is toast after 2 bottles.and i also see no reason why that set up cant make upwards of 400 whp just that setup on motor will make more then 200 whp why would ya take a chance on a fuel pump ..me personally would run a seperate fuel system when going that high on a hit ,unless you just got money and blocks laying round like that by the way i compared the 250 shot to boost cause as a ruel of thumb every psi of boost is bout 10 hp give or take on a basic system,,thats just my $0.2. either way give it a shot and let us know </TD></TR></TABLE>
well my buddy has been spraying 100 shot single fogger on his stock GSR hatch for the past 3 years on C16 gas, track only and held up fine, ran consistant 12.0@118 or so. He then turboed that motor and ran 11.50's@128 or so (Atlanta Dragway). This was done on all stock internals, fuel pump, and injectors.
I'm by no means saying it'll work with 200-250 shot, but since he ran with stock injectors and fuel pump, i thought maybe it'll be safe with the fuel setup i have. Maybe i'll just do a direct port 100-150 shot.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bigislandracing »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">a 200-250 shot is a good bit. you are also goign to have a super hard time getting traction and be going through bottles like nothing. I have a similar setup to yours, planning on running a 100-150 shot direct port, assembling motor this week.. (ge sleeves, ib spec pistons, eagle ultrlight rods.. headwork ect.) only running 11:1 CR, in the car we are thinking to hit high 11's all motor and highto mid 10's on the nitrous.. how fast do you want to run?!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Exactly what I want! Lets keep in touch! Seems your goals are exactly like mine!
hmmmm so pretty much you saying that the set up he described built 12.1 h22 with a 250 shot and you see no prob with his fuel set up?i will gaurentee you put that fuel set up and your motor is toast after 2 bottles.and i also see no reason why that set up cant make upwards of 400 whp just that setup on motor will make more then 200 whp why would ya take a chance on a fuel pump ..me personally would run a seperate fuel system when going that high on a hit ,unless you just got money and blocks laying round like that by the way i compared the 250 shot to boost cause as a ruel of thumb every psi of boost is bout 10 hp give or take on a basic system,,thats just my $0.2. either way give it a shot and let us know </TD></TR></TABLE>
well my buddy has been spraying 100 shot single fogger on his stock GSR hatch for the past 3 years on C16 gas, track only and held up fine, ran consistant 12.0@118 or so. He then turboed that motor and ran 11.50's@128 or so (Atlanta Dragway). This was done on all stock internals, fuel pump, and injectors.
I'm by no means saying it'll work with 200-250 shot, but since he ran with stock injectors and fuel pump, i thought maybe it'll be safe with the fuel setup i have. Maybe i'll just do a direct port 100-150 shot.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bigislandracing »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">a 200-250 shot is a good bit. you are also goign to have a super hard time getting traction and be going through bottles like nothing. I have a similar setup to yours, planning on running a 100-150 shot direct port, assembling motor this week.. (ge sleeves, ib spec pistons, eagle ultrlight rods.. headwork ect.) only running 11:1 CR, in the car we are thinking to hit high 11's all motor and highto mid 10's on the nitrous.. how fast do you want to run?!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Exactly what I want!
Lets keep in touch! Seems your goals are exactly like mine!
07-14-2004, 11:21 AM
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Re: 12:1 H22 with nitrous? (boosted92)
everything you say is sarcastic and dont make any sense to me and ill stick by everything i say no hearsay here so untill you atlest have a h22 with a 250 shot in your car zip it meatball 
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