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Old 03-02-2013, 10:13 AM
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Default 1000cc-20 PSI out of fuel?

Here is my setup
84mm AEBS sleeves
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Front facing Manifold
Dual 255 Walbros
Skunk2 Pro 1's cams
Hondata S300

With my 1000cc injectors @ 20 PSI with pump gas I'm 85% at 8000 and 90% injectors duty at 9000RPM? is it normal?

Do I need to upgrade?

I except to go 30PSI with C16

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What is your base fuel pressure?
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Default Re: 1000cc-20 PSI out of fuel?

yah what is your base man i have personally made 650 on rc1000's at 85psi of base not ideal but it worked for 2 years.

and i would do the corn over c16 but thats just me
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No corn water where he is, as he is in France. Check base line fuel pressure, and check to make sure fuel pump, lines and voltage are stable.
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oh oops correct lol
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I ll re Check, but it is around 50 PSI
Do the corn lol!! We can get some E85 fuel, but I prefer racing fuel
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Default Re: 1000cc-20 PSI out of fuel?

If you are injector limited you can try running less rpm, more boost. You will find rpm eats up injector quicker and your peak HP isnt at 9000rpm anyways.

You can also extend your injectors slightly by increasing the fuel pressure - assuming you have enough pump left.
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e85 is racing fuel i know news travels slow but ya'll over seas have to know this by now
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Default Re: 1000cc-20 PSI out of fuel?

Originally Posted by sanman000719
e85 is racing fuel i know news travels slow but ya'll over seas have to know this by now
E85 is ethanol-based fuel that is more forgiving to the environment that just happens to have knock-resistant qualities due to its alcohol content. It's not "race fuel".. Younger people in the U.S. just tend to treat it as such.
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Originally Posted by Muckman
If you are injector limited you can try running less rpm, more boost. You will find rpm eats up injector quicker and your peak HP isnt at 9000rpm anyways.

You can also extend your injectors slightly by increasing the fuel pressure - assuming you have enough pump left.
Ok but with my 6766 Turbo I need to run high RPM, but you are right around 7500 RPM duty cycle is 65% @ 20psi.

I can switch for ID2000 or slightly less that is not a problem, the question was how many HP can I hit max with my ID1000?
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Default Re: 1000cc-20 PSI out of fuel?

Originally Posted by TheShodan
E85 is ethanol-based fuel that is more forgiving to the environment that just happens to have knock-resistant qualities due to its alcohol content. It's not "race fuel".. Younger people in the U.S. just tend to treat it as such.
Now there's an ignorant entry to your educational postings. Come on now.
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The car wont run worth a **** with 2000's on gasoline. I tried before i fully switched to E85. Im sure with a LOT of tweeking i could have got it to run better but wasnt ideal at all. 20 psi with a 67MM has got to be a pretty decent amount of power. What fuel pump are you running? what regulator are you running. Give a complete rundown of the fuel system right down to the lines and wiring for the pump.
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Now there's an ignorant entry to your educational postings. Come on now.


thats what i was thinking also, but thought i would leave it alone lol

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Default Re: 1000cc-20 PSI out of fuel?

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The car wont run worth a **** with 2000's on gasoline. I tried before i fully switched to E85. Im sure with a LOT of tweeking i could have got it to run better but wasnt ideal at all. 20 psi with a 67MM has got to be a pretty decent amount of power. What fuel pump are you running? what regulator are you running. Give a complete rundown of the fuel system right down to the lines and wiring for the pump.
Pump fuel here is around 98 oct
Fuel pumps are 2 brand new walbro 255 with AN 10 feed
Fuel pressure regulator is AEM
Wiring is a 4mm from box fuse

I don t like E85 because it is not the fuel in winter and summer, even between two differents fuel station.
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Default Re: 1000cc-20 PSI out of fuel?

I m going to increase fuel pressure to 60 psi first
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Default Re: 1000cc-20 PSI out of fuel?

are they high pressure 255's or standard 255's . Nice 98 octane should be able to make some really nice power with that. I would increase base pressure and see where that gets you.
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Default Re: 1000cc-20 PSI out of fuel?

Gs342 Walbro I think they are standard.
What is the part number of the high pressure?

98 is RON pump fuel I don t know you get same fuel? I think it is your 93 oct fuel
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GSS342 is high pressure, GS342 is standard. Be careful running up the base pressure with those pumps. They fall on their face after 70 psi.
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Default Re: 1000cc-20 PSI out of fuel?

what fuel pressure regulator are you running? rising rate right?

if you set it at 50-60, in my experience a single walbro setup with id1000, the fuel pressure falls off at high rpm...supposedly you should be hitting 80ish psi @ that boost levels, but if you record your FP, it will not go there.

id1000 on pump, 500 should be a cakewalk.
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Default Re: 1000cc-20 PSI out of fuel?

Dont know if this has been mentioned already, but i dont think you can run dual fuel pumps on the stock wiring harness, assuming it hasnt been upgraded already.
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Default Re: 1000cc-20 PSI out of fuel?

Originally Posted by Turbo-LS
GSS342 is high pressure, GS342 is standard. Be careful running up the base pressure with those pumps. They fall on their face after 70 psi.
I learn every morning on HT thank you !
I m running 50 Psi base fuel pressure with AEM FRP and running 20 PSI so I m around the limit of the dual 255 walbro?
I heard people hitting 800 HP with dual 255?
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Originally Posted by Steeve_Civic
I learn every morning on HT thank you !
I m running 50 Psi base fuel pressure with AEM FRP and running 20 PSI so I m around the limit of the dual 255 walbro?
I heard people hitting 800 HP with dual 255?
dual 255 high pressures, ive never seen anyone actually try to push a 255 standard that hard.
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aem fpr is not a rising rate.
that is your problem.

get an electronic fpgauge and monitor your fp @ high rpms...
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aem is a 1:1 regulator, i dont care for them but they are rising rate. Both pumps should ahve their own dedicated 10 gauge wiring and 30amp relay.
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Default Re: 1000cc-20 PSI out of fuel?

AEM FRP see the boost pressure and adjust it.
I have only 1 wire for 2pumps one 70A fuse and one 60 relay, do you think it can affect the voltage? I can check that that point?


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