CORRECTION: We are now going with an e8 unit for this endeavour, and it will be fully capable of utilizing the stock honda sensors.

Please note, this is my thread about what we are doing at Haltech, not an official Haltech thread, so I don't stand to gain anything from this or sales of this product when it is finished. That being said.
As some of you know, I started working for Haltech about a month and a half ago, and I love my job. Even more so now that we are developing a plug and play standalone system for m/t obd1 hondas such as our own.
We have not done much yet apart from getting the pinouts for a p06 (Im currently running a chipped p06 with crome pro) and the wiring diagram for the e6x and for the accord.
http://i94.photobucket.com/alb...m.gif
http://haltech.com/downloads/e...m.pdf
I started matching up everything so that we could use a jumper harness to connect the factory wiring harness to the e6x.
That's honestly about as far as we have gotten so far, as we are an office of 3, and we do all distribution, tech support, etc from this office here in Lexington.
Now, some random tidbits about all of this.
My car does not have a/c so I am not sure if this will allow people to retain usage of their a/c.
The e6x does not like sensors apart from gm style sensors, so the air temp and coolant temp sensors might have to be changed. However, we sell those too, and offer them in metric and sae sizes as well, and we are hoping the metric sizes fit without any sort of modification. If not, they will require some sort of tapping to make them fit. Development is too early to either confirm or deny this currently.
The e6x does not have the calibration for the stock honda map sensor(1.8 bar or so) however, it has an internal 2.5 bar map sesnor built in, so this isn't really much of an issue. A 2 bar map sensor is good up to 22 psi, which is more than sufficient for a stock block turbo guy. The software does work with 1, 2, 3, 2.5int, 5, and 7 bar map sensors however, so if you ever plan on running more boost than that, it is easy to configure and set up.
As for the e6x, it supports some cool features like anti-lag, vtec, boost control, nitrous switch, shift light, and lots of other stuff. The e6x software is free for download on the haltech website, so feel free to mess around with it.
Haltech understands that it is hard to compete with cheap and free programs like crome and uberdata, etc, so we are hoping to keep the price relatively low. Hopefully retail will be around $999 but since things are so early in development, that is defnitely up in the air still. For a full plug and play standalone, that is a very good price, and the haltech units are very high quality, so I believe this will be a good deal. The e6x does not require expensive upgrades, doesnt require chips to be burnt, and supports datalogging. You can check out specs on it here
http://haltech.com/e6x.htm
http://haltech.com/downloads/e6x_spec.pdf


If you all have any questions, concerns, things you would like to see, comments, etc, please let me know, and I will do my best to answer them.
I gain nothing from selling this, I am just trying to document what we are doing, and I will update this as time goes on.
Also, I post a lot on cb7tuner, but not a lot here, but will be around here more often in the future.


Modified by chessboxer at 5:44 PM 5/18/2008

 

Honestly, if it can't support most of the stock Honda sensors, you're going to have a hell of a time selling the thing.

Why not give us a brief rundown on what it CAN do, that a Honda based ecu (with Hondata S300/Neptune RTP/ EcTune, Etc) can't?

 

Update.
You are very correct in your statements, and since I posted that we have decided to go with the e8 as opposed to the e6x. The e8 pnp unit is much more in line with motec m4 than is the e6x. It will work with stock honda sensors, supports 32x32 resolution, has onboard datalogging, has 4 pwm outputs, 2 aux digital outputs, 3 analogue inputs, 1 digital input, will sequentially run both fuel and ignition, closed loop wideband correction/control, 16000 rpm support, real time programming, and a whole lot of other stuff. The processor used in the Haltech E8 is the same one found in the Motec E8.
Expected retail of this is to be around 1500, which is considerably less than the motec m4 honda kit.
http://haltech.com/e8.htm

 

Slowly coming along, sorry for the crappy pic, its from my phone.

Had it powered up in the cb7 this morning, then went to lunch.

 

Having worked both with haltechs and hondata, i would say that the hondata is a much better system for a MUCH cheaper pricer.

 

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The Honda tuning customer base is (for the most part) not going to want to shell out that kind of money. Some customers are on such tight budgets that $195 for an S100 is out of their price range. There is still a small percentage that will run an AEM EMS, Motec, Haltech etc., but it is a dwindling market. I applaud your efforts though

 

I've had my plug n play AEM EMS since 2001. Came with base maps installed with the software. I had to de-pin one redundant coil output wire and it started right up and idled just fine. One hour on the dyno and I picked up 7-10 hp across the entire RPM band from our baseline stock ECU (engine was basically stock). A/C works fine. I've used this EMS on several cars since then. I plugged it into my 92 Integra just for kicks. Started right up and idled just fine.

The person that tuned my car and recommended the AEM to me first cut his teeth on the E6K. He had problems with their customer service in Texas and couldn't get anywhere until he called them in Australia.

It's not plug n play if you have to change to GM sensors. The AEM has wizards for all manner of injectors, sensors etc.

 

In my third post, I noted than we are not going with the e6x, and are instead going with the e8, which supports the stock sensors.
I understand that our technical support in Texas, as well as in California was not the best around, but we have since changed to a Lexington location, and we do our absolute best in trying to ensure that every customer who calls in gets an answer from either myself, eric, or claudio. We are going to do testing on f, h, b, and d series motors so that we have stock settings for these cars to start up and run on. This is very early in our development, and as you can tell from the first post to my third post, we have already changed our mind about what unit to go with, and we have much research left to do. A/c will still be fully functional with this unit also.

We fully understand that the average enthusiast with an intake, exhaust, and very little else is not going to be able to afford this sort of unit. The enthusiast with a fully built, sleeved, new rods, pistons, headwork, etc etc. who needs a full dedicated engine management system on the other hand is. If you look at the motec m4 kit for Hondas, it goes for about 2600, and this looks to perform just as well as that, if not better, for over 1000 less.

In all honesty, ive been running crome pro on my own cb7 for over a year now. Within the next year, I plan on building it for about 20 psi, adding 4 ls1 style coils, slicks, traction bar, etc, etc. I'll be the first to admit, that the diy tuning software like crome and uber, some of the midrange level stuff like hondata and neptune, have really come a long way over the past 5 years, and that they are good systems, but that there is a small niche in this market that could benefit from a dedicated full standalone, and that is the crowd we are aiming for.

Thanks for the input so far, and one of the first tests will be to see how much hp we can pick up in going from my chipped p06 to the e8. We share a building with dynodynamics, so we have ample dyno time available to us.

This is very early in the development, but stick around, and I assure you, you will see some good things come from this, even if it is not a piece that is for everyone.

 

Car starts up and idles great on the e8. We will be looking to tune it on the dyno soon.

 

rock on.

 

we have used the haltech on a sr just last week worked well just hated how you have to deal with injector sizing....we were interested in doing the bmw setup with you guys, but i geuss you guys lost intrest though.

 

well if you guys do decide in making this for the e6x let me know, i have a brand new one here with a jumper harness ready to go.
thats if, u do this. ive seen posts on other boards made by claudio claiming this same pnp packages and then just telling me, i dont have time for this. if your going to post things like this be serious and dont get over your head claiming something you cant offer.
but if you do it let me know!

 

Bad ferio- The e8 pnp is a definite go, and there is still talk of an e6x pnp too, but nothing definite. I know that we have just ordered a few more of the harnesses we use to make these, so they are a definite go. We will attempt to do some tuning in the next few days.

b18cls1- I am unfamiliar with the bmw setup of which you speak, if you would like to discuss this further, please call me at 760-598-1941 or send me a pm. I've only been here for a bout a month and a half, so if it was something that happened before then, I am unaware of the situation, and I would be more than happy to try and work something out with you.

 

if you give more honda oriented support on the actual ecu's it will help a lot also. eam has downloadable basemaps for different combinations. you should give similar information to at least program the ecu to be able to start the car

 

We are indeed working on that my friend. We plan to get some other cars in here with b series, h series, d series and f series in order to ensure we have proper trigger setup configurations, which is the most difficult/annoying part of the whole ordeal imo. We got it idling in 5 minutes, where as setting up our trigger settings took 2 hours. Our tech support has come a long way from what it used to be as well, and hopefully it will continue to get better with time.

 

Chessboxer. Once again, very good efforts in trying to have a PNP system for various Honda's and i am sure that some will go for such systems.

When i first replied i didnt realize you were working at haltech. So my advice is that you should come out with a PNP ecu for the 2006+ K series honda's. No ECU to date has the ability to control the K series Honda engine due to requirement of drive-by-wire throttle, multi dimensional maps (VTEC + Cam phase). Haltech has made a wonderful product in the new Platinum series ECU... if such an ECU can be adapted for the K series engine, i think Haltech would have a super winner on their hands... if you think about it, only Hondata has been able to tap into the K market and after 2006+ they cant even do that without swapping half the motor and wiring out.

Platinum K series Haltech... in my view would be a world beater and put Haltech back on the top where it belongs.

 

Thanks for the kind words good sir and actually, the k series platinum unit is the top priority for development at Haltech australia at the moment. They just finished the gtr platinum unit, and have put their focus back on the k series platinum unit. I really look forward to getting my hands on it and playing with it myself.

 

Alright, update time.
This weekend we took off the turbo and converted it to an external wastegate setup via a tial 38 and some beautiful tig welds courtest of my co worker Mr. Eric Gash.



No more boost spikes to 17 psi.
We then ported out the inside of the turbo's hotside housing and did a quick tune yesterday.
Car pulls great and feels incredibly smooth. I still have some 560cc injectors to install, and we might go meth inj and shoot for 20 psi stock block, just to see how it will do. At least 15 psi will be gone for once the new injectors are isntalled, as well as the haltech boost control solenoid.

As for the k series development, they are about 90% finished with it in Australia, so hopefully within a year at the latest, we can see it on the streets.
We are going to try and get some various engines and cars in here so that we can at least have basemaps for a multitude of cars.
Im also going to be installing a racepak iq3 dash into my accord as well, to eliminate all the gauges, and because I just got promoted to handle the tech support for the dash. No experience is quite as beneficial as hands on experience, thats for sure.

 

Car is up and running very well, and this weekend it is going to get a new set of charge pipes, a new fmic, new bov, and hopefully within the next couple of weeks it will see a water methanol kit installed and set to run off one of the pwm outputs. Also, we look to get basemaps for some d, b, and h series engines in the near future so that when this does go public, we will be able to supply maps for people, something which we know our competitors already do.

 

are those e6x based maps or e8 maps?

 

Currently, I am running an e8, but if we go with an e6x plugin, then we would convert the maps for the e6x as well.

 

nice work man its good to see haltech developing honda app's my buddies a halltech dealer but he does the rotary thing
maybe aem will have some real competion now

 

Good ****. The 06+ Si is dying for some help.

 

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maybe aem will have some real competion now</TD></TR></TABLE>
Good deal, we have a very big following in the rotary world, and we even have our own rotary tech support guy. We are hoping to utilize this and the new K series platinum unit to break some ground in the Honda market. My car has been running great on the e8, and once I get my water/meth kit we will retune and I will post some dyno numbers.

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Word, hopefully we will be able to provide that help.

 

any chances of being able to give basemaps out for dowloading at this time?