Heh I just thought this picture looked tight, thought I would share. I was reading some magazine and it said the best car for fwd drifting is the ef hatchback not the crx /// but I guess in jdm land they drift both

 

drifting.. especially fwd. It's too bad too. Used to be kinda interesting until 15 kids in every city bought an old corolla and were suddenly building a "drift car". My .02

 

you can drift FWD???

maybe i should add "safely" in there somewhere

 

maybe you guys should look up long time FF drifter Hakateyama...(EF-9)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RuthlessEF-9 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">maybe you guys should look up long time FF drifter Hakateyama...(EF-9)</TD></TR></TABLE>
they just did a thing on that guy in the honda tuning mag

 

That article was interesting about the Falken hatch drift car, in Honda Tunning, the pic above is off a CRX model box from Japan.

 

FWD 'Drifting' = Powersliding....imo.
All your doing is sliding the little car around the corner.

Where RWD is different, you have throttle control = drifting...blah.

 

yea like there isnt throttle control in FWD...let alone ANY drifting.

i love how everyone thinks they are they ultimate drifter and know everything. i think everyone should leave the drifting up to the professionals.

 

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Off the topic of drifting, I would argue there is such a thing as trottle control... but for a different purpose.

When sorting my CRX for autocross, I have had the car so "loose" that it wants to come around (as in 180) during corners, but I can mash the throttle some when it starts to slip and the front will lose traction, causing the car to first slide sideways a little, then the rear wheels regain a grip and it takes off under control again (assuming I havent countersteered too much)

This probably sounds like babbling, but if you're in the car its a thrilling thing to experience. Sadly, I've had to "dial the fun out" and make the car less prone to that sort of instability in order to get faster times through the slaloms and offsets.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by D16A88CRX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">FWD 'Drifting' = Powersliding....imo.
All your doing is sliding the little car around the corner.

Where RWD is different, you have throttle control = drifting...blah.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Umm, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

A "powerslide" is another name for power-on oversteer, which is a common drifting technique, particularly for newbies. Power-on oversteer is nearly impossible in a FWD car, though with an LSD and the right suspension setup, I'm sure it could be done.

All cars have throttle control.

 

ahh drifting the motor sports version of the icecapades.

 

all i know is that when he drifts his hatch and looks just as cool/good/BETTER than most of the RWD cars out there he gets a from me.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Targa250R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Umm, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i know.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fireant &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Off the topic of drifting, I would argue there is such a thing as trottle control... but for a different purpose.

When sorting my CRX for autocross, I have had the car so "loose" that it wants to come around (as in 180) during corners, but I can mash the throttle some when it starts to slip and the front will lose traction, causing the car to first slide sideways a little, then the rear wheels regain a grip and it takes off under control again (assuming I havent countersteered too much)

This probably sounds like babbling, but if you're in the car its a thrilling thing to experience. Sadly, I've had to "dial the fun out" and make the car less prone to that sort of instability in order to get faster times through the slaloms and offsets. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Your car isn't very "loose" because if it was that loose you wouldn't be able to correct it, but you might talking about running on street tires. I"m talking about running on hoosiers. Maybe my hatch is looser then your crx

 

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Your car isn't very "loose" because if it was that loose you wouldn't be able to correct it, but you might talking about running on street tires. I"m talking about running on hoosiers. Maybe my hatch is looser then your crx </TD></TR></TABLE>
All of the FWD autocrossers I have driven will actually oversteer more on race tires than on street tires.

The CRX is twitchier than the hatchback, and more difficult to drive. CRXes have been known to spin completely for what seems like no apparent reason at times. Hatches are easier to control at the limit and less likely to spin due to the longer wheelbase.

 

Im talking about Azenis. I've adjsuted the effort required to get the car to spin from "very little" to just enough to cancel the understeer in a sweeper when the weight finally shifts to the rear.

I decided the term "loose" was appropriate the day I pendulumed the car from 90° to -90° to 90° to -90° all the way through a slalom without touching a cone. Soo much fun. My passenger was screaming and laughing, but a pathetically slow time...if only they gave out style points in autocross.

GoforBroke, the Hatch should be set up looser. With the longer wheel base it can be set up that way and still be easier to stabilize. The CRX lovves to spin.

Sorry for taking this thread out so far into left feild. I'd love to further discuss some of the subtleties of tuning the CRX to turn-not-spin.

 

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that falken hatch is one sick car!

 

I put trays under my hatch and drift w00t.

 

i saw that falken car at GT Live. it was really weak. all it does is get some speed, breaks the rear loose and just turns once before it has to straighten out, get some more speed and turn the other way.

im far from any drift fan or expert, but it didnt come close to seeing any of the silvias or rx7's demonstrate proper drifting.

seems like they only show that car so that ppl who own FF cars will still be interested and feel like they have a part in this fad and not exclude the larger front wheel drive market.

but to humor the question, EF hatch is going to be preferred because of its longer wheelbase.

 

Yeah, I know crx are more twitchy then hatchbacks because of the wheelbase issue. Close friend of mine totaled his "stock" 88 crx si last year by dodging a deer in the road. Once it got sideways it was over for him. I heard the 88 are notorious for their loose back end worst then any other year?

 

Tyson can supply you with the full story on the 88 vs 89+ differences. There was an instability issue on hard braking I believe.

The tough part is teaching yourself to apply more gas pedal when it starts to spin. If you lift, its all over. Wheeee!

 

my ef hatch drifts better than any other FF car ive seen. its usually sideways at least 5-15 times a week, and is very predictable. on gravel, the car is just sick, especially for drifting. e-brake, foot brake, or gas pedal, each drift is different and fun. who cares what drifting is, as long as your car is sideways in a safe environment (not on public roads), and the driver is having fun, i think thats what the sport is all about.

 

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HAHAHAHAHAA, dude , shut up

 

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Seriously. I just switched from a CRX to an EF for this autocross season. It's totally different, even though it's using basically everything from the CRX. Like you said, I would spin for what seemed like no reason in the CRX, have yet to spin the hatch. It's certainly possible, but it's going to take a lot!