as the topic says, whats the difference between the two? i've seen both those terms thrown around, and was just wondering what the difference is. i always THOUGHT drifting was where you pull the e-brake and turn, but i suppose i'm wrong. thanks for any input.

BTW, i tried searching, nothin came up in recent results, and it says archived searching is disabled right now...dont kno what that means.

 

they are the same

and pulling the ebrake is how FWD cars think they can drift.

but drifting is gay.

 

Some like it in the front, some like it in the back?

 

Dude, drifting is the ****!

I thought the same thing until I saw someone actually doing it.....right.

 

in powerslide you actually are slower when you exit the turn, and arent as stable, also you cannot connect several turns with a powerslide.

in drift you dont have to slow down when you exit the turn, you can connect several turns together with a single drift.

also in drift the "true" method is to weight shift and use the clutch to lose traction on the rear wheels and kick out the rear end while countersteering to control the drift.

 

If you want to get down to the nitty gritty, a drift is a controlled loss of traction at the front, rear, or all four tires.

Power sliding implies using the throttle to break traction from the drive wheels to induce a drift, from my understanding of the term/concept...which would be kinda the same as throttle steering, right?

 

power slide requires a rear-wheel drive car...then you gas it going around a corner to kick the back end around.

 

when its done PROPERLY its badass

but these posers who say "i live my life 1 curb at a time" who think they are badass JdM DrIfToRs because they swing the back end out 4 inches on a turn are retarded and should be shot.

 

FWD touring car racers also powerslide, especially in the rain. The baseline setup of a Super Tourer was usually very loose in the rain. I think Neil Crompton, who drove a Tasman Motorsports ex-BTCC Accord in the NATCC in 1996 (or maybe '97) was talking about it at the first NATCC race in the rain (either at Portland or Detroit).

 

Not gonna debate over the terms 'cause I admittedly don't know ****, but I thought drifting was kinda goofy too until some of my Japanese co-workers hooked me up with some of their homegrown vids. Some of the **** was like "synchronized drifting" with 2 cars (like those little Beats) drifting parallel and equal distance from/to the other through each turn on the whole track, some of the others were straight street vids. One had an FD35 drifting down the whole 6-7 story corkscrew spiral ramp of a parking garage, then coming out perfectly lined up with the street and just punching it when he hit pavement with a nasty burnout. Nuff respect 'cause I couldn't even imagine how to do **** like that.

 

Kamin is teh funny master!

 

Drifting has advantages on fast downhill courses, and on loose surfaces. However, powersliding and drifting are a little different in my book. Drifting is where you throw the car sideways into a turn, and powersliding is going into the turn and then throwing it sideways, like a rally car would.

 

Seeing drifts in rally's are awesome or more like sliding with style!



[Modified by nek0, 8:43 PM 3/25/2003]

 

You said it best.

 

One's gay and the other's.... wait, no they're both gay. Nevermind.

 

Correct me if I am wrong guys but it was my understanding that drifting was just the two back wheel losing traction around a corner and a powerslide is when all the wheels break loose in the slide around a corner.

 

thanks for the info....sorta helped me clear things up!

 

There's rear wheel drift (the most common, and what everyone thinks of), front wheel drift, and four-wheel drift.

An example of front wheel drift is Neil Crompton in his ex-BTCC Honda Accord during a wet race in the now-defunct NATCC series. It was the first time in the NATCC's short history that they were racing in the rain. Michelin, the official series tire supplier, did not even have a rain tire ready. Yokohama, which was present at the track as the supplier for Formula Atlantic, actually cut grooves into the Michelin touring car slicks in an effort to have a makeshift rain tire. Crompton was being interviewed about racing these cars in the wet, and he was talking about how loose the cars were, especially after lifting off the throttle. He described a front wheel drift, and how he would use the throttle to power understeer when exiting a corner to prevent the back end from coming around.

An example of a four-wheel drift is the 1996 Spanish Grand Prix in Barcelona. Jacques Villeneuve had won the CART and Indy 500 titles the year before, and was in his rookie year with the Williams-Renault Formula 1 team in 1996. Barcelona was a wet race, and was Villeneuve's very first major wet-weather race. He led the race at one point, but was eventually overtaken by rain-maestro Michael Schumacher's Ferrari F310 and Jean Alesi's Benetton-Renault B196. Alesi is also noted for being an excellent racer in the wet, where his skills have allowed him to make a normally uncompetitive car become competitive in the wet. Villeneuve stayed on Alesi's tail for most of the race. He was something like 10-20 kmh faster in the corners than Alesi. The surprising thing was he was in Alesi's rooster tail (spray of water off the rear wheels) and could not see ahead of him. Lap after lap, Frank Williams (in an interview) raved about Villeneuve's car control and the four-wheel drifts he was doing to make his FW18 keep up with the Benetton and Ferrari. By four-wheel drifting, Villeneuve did not need to make any major steering inputs which would upset the FW18. Grand Prix cars are on the edge when driven competitively, and react almost instantaneously to small control inputs, whether it be throttle, steering, brakes, or setup.


[Modified by VTEC, 8:26 AM 3/26/2003]

 

Power sliding is rear wheel drift...

in a rwd car its from slamming on the gas in the apex of a turn in order to whip your car around the turn as fast as possible and line yourself up for a clean exit. In fwd it's using the ebrake to accomplish the same thing.

drifting refered to as just Drifting is 4 wheel drift...

the loss of traction of ALL four wheels while maintaining controlled forward movement.

This can be done in ANY car of ANY engine/drive configuration... it is more difficult in some but it is possible... neutral cornering is really all that's needed (wider tires help as well.)

 

The above descripton of the race and 4 wheel drift is very explanitory...

It's very much like driving in the rain.... when you hit a puddle and hydroplain if you keep on the gas you power through. Just like in the snow when you have no traction but you spin the tires and you slowly accelerate. do this through a corner and maintain your driving line and your drifting...

It's driving your car beyond it's traction limitations but maintaining control.