These unfortunately are the prime examples of the stupid things and unnecessary issues that happen at these major events. We need to as a community start becoming a community and not just a show. We all claim to love cars, drag racing and Honda's but allow this bs to happen.

I hate seeing the index racing going they've finally cut it down to cars that are pretty competitive, i ran 11.50 this year though i did horrible the car is capable. I just feel we need to get rid of the 10.00. Just make it 10.50-11.50. Cause 10.00 is a catered class to domestics and honestly any of the import guys that were in the class probably legitimately run in the 9's and were sandbagging. I feel the whole 3 days ran pretty smooth and on time. Hell i think that's the first time in like 4 years we left before midnight on sunday. And another thing about the small guys is they bring more spectators with them its just facts a small time guy like that all his buddies who helped him and family etc will show up. Don't get me wrong i know the big guys fill the seats but i think you will see a loss in spectating from losing index...just me

and the second part is it is YOUR money, it's my money your money and everyone elses money that makes these events go on. They could at least take a little of it and invest in security. I agree i'm not sure HOW everything can be watched over but i have a thought that if they did have security walking around it would make a thief think twice. I also think people need to get along with people they park next too, I personally had two great people next to me and we told them we were leaving the car overnight if you see anything going on, that wasn't me and my 3 buddies please let us know, or stop them cause we were the only ones that would be messing with the car this weekend.

All and all though this event is always amazing...but i agree the Honda/Import scene has got to change, there are a lot of us good guys in this sport that love it for what it is. We're car enthusiasts who love what we do we love to build our cars, make them nice, race them etc. We need to come together as a community and stop this BS that keeps happening time and time again. I'm with spoolinlude it kills me to see how disrespectful people are with the trash and pot smoking around kids and just the straight lack of respect for anyone else around them, it's no wonder we get a bad rep cause this is our community. And i'm so tired of the golf carts, pit bikes, quads they are getting outta hand it took me over 5 mins to get from the end of the track back to my pits...people on feet were respectful and got out the way but people on the bikes and stuff act like youre not even there i have gopro footage of a guy on a bike that almost hits my car and a camaro pulling into his trailer cause he tried to squeeze by. But domestic guys shouldn't catch a break either there were plenty of cases i seen going on in the stands of some drunk redneck trying to get in a fight over nothing and cussing at people and being just as disrespectful but most of it is coming from our side of the spectating that's for sure.

 

Anyone notice the group of hoodlums on the RENTED golf cart popping wheelies and dragging the rear on the asphalt VERY loudly through the vendor midway?

 

You don't have to drive the stripe every pass, and while watching 10.00 which is class that the domestics have there cars most dialed in no one was running 10.00 with a X the best 3 cars i saw where going 10.01-10.05 which is beatable on the tree and holding a little at the stripe.

Also you say turns his timing dial to run 10.5, index class are no electronics classes, can't run delay boxes or throttle stops.

Index is a mind game, most imports are holding ALOT at the stripe meaning they lift or brake at the end so it can really throw off the domestics who hold alot less, and can quite often get them to break out while playing the fender game.

 

^^This is the truth.

I am disgusted this event has turned into what it is!

I have attended this event for the past 15 years without fail. First as a spectator in 1999 and 2000, then as a racer from 2001' to 2010 and now as a spectator again since 2011.

I have personally seen this event grow from a single day event to what it has become today.

WCF did NOT used to be this way and did not begin to go downhill like this until after 09' or so. Each year since that time the quality of the spectators has gone downhill. And unfortunately that was around the time the upstate import crowd began coming down to MIR. Is this part of the reason the event has gotten so bad? I do not know, I can only assume based on what I have seen and experienced first hand at MIR, ATCO and ETOWN.

Say what you want, but MIR has never had a theft problem until now. And the stands at WCF were never full of weed back in the day. ATCO and ETOWN have had major issues with theft from what I understand. I remember not being allowed to leave atco without the police checking the ignition in my tow vehicle to make sure I wasn't stealing it and they told me it was a common necessity to do do so because of the major theft problem there. I had never seen such a thing. This was at a Honda day event back around 09' or 2010. I remember being in the stands at both atco and etown and the weed was terrible. Who knows, maybe the occasions I was there were not the norm? But I do know what the norm for MIR is and this wasn't it until recently in the past 5 years.

I am largely into both domestic and import cars/trucks and have attended races and other types of events from both sides. The domestic crowd and the import crowd are two completely different types for the most part. As was mentioned above, it sucks to stereotype but unfortunately this is the way it is.

I brought my son with me this year and I may never do so again unless I bring an rv to watch from and park away from the stands.

Also another topic to mention is how fast this event has become. I love watching fast cars and hate watching slow cars go down the track as just about everyone else here does. The problem is the faster cars break or wreck a lot more and we don't get to watch anything go down the track for extended periods of time.

This issue will continue to get worse as the slower classes/cars are eliminated from the event and the fast cars are pushed even further to the limit. No more index classes next year. I don't mind because I have no interest watching them go down the track. However from what I saw they were NOT the ones oiling down the track. And it seems like whenever there is down time that's when you smell the weed smoke the worst. I guess the rif raf doesn't mind the downtime because they have something to keep them occupied lol

The growing trend of downtime and poor quality spectators IS causing people like myself to stay away from this event. I personally know SEVERAL die hard car guys/racers who would never think about missing this event in the past have now given up this event. More and more of them stop coming every year just as more and more rif raf show up every year to take their place.

The oil downs and wrecks cannot be controlled without taking the speed factor out of racing. So maybe they can focus on something they CAN control to make the event enjoyable again and retain the quality spectators while pushing away the rif raf. Spend the money and hire security to monitor the stands and areas near the midway. Have a man on each set of bleachers. Have men walking around the midway. Have them do their jobs and kick out anyone who is breaking the law or not following the rules.

Not sure what this event will be like in a few years from now if the trend is allowed to continue

 

Awesome event as always! Cold was to be expected. It was colder last year in my opinion. I came prepared this season.

Sucks Jake broke. I was hoping he would take home the win again this year. I mainly attend this race for the all motor class. Although, CCC was killing it in true street and Cole and Shawn was killing it super street as well.

I will say there was tons of marjuana being smoked. Somehow beside me every time I moved. Lol. Although it certainly didn't ruin the event for me. Wish the lines to the bathroom, and food were less of a pain in the ***. I mean an event this big needs more food stands and bathrooms! Take a note from
Nhra events. Also, all drink machines were empty by Sunday and they were still taking people's money. When temps dropped, Hot chocolate was gone in a couple hours which left coffee. That would have been fine, if mine wasnt cold. I mean not even luke warm. There were idiots on golf carts, scooters and atvs. Definitely needs to be more security to control these idiots, and some of the other issues. All in all, the event is great and I would compare it to the NOPI events back in the days but more racing and less sound systems and Lambo'd doored cars.

 

i think with the index classes being gone next year a lot of the riff raff in the pits will be gone as well

 

+1 for sure. I didn't go this year and geesh it sounds like I would have left early or beat the hell out of some people.

 

Not even close man! If anything it's going to attract more "rif raf" because it makes room more more expensive cars to steal from!

It really is a shame things have gone the way they have and is why I have moved more over to the domestic crowd. You don't see much, if any of these types of people involved with American cars.

 

I'll be watching this thread closely to see when Mr.Miller comments. There's a lot of concerns that need to be addressed here.

 

Yea, I hope he does or someone shows him at least.

I've been going to this event for 13 years and this stuff has only begun in the last 4 years or so. It's obvious who the issue is with and like I said in a previous comment, it's the groups that hang out in those first section of bleachers from what I've been seeing.

Last year they were pouring beer and throwing bottles on the cars parked under the stands in the vendor midway. Didn't seem to stop either.

 

We have a big problem with theft in the import world. That is no secret and nothing new. It should be known that a race such as this which is molded and made around imports racing domestics and the biggest race of its kind on the face of the earth, there are going to be douchebag thieves drawn to this event and eyeballing other's belongings. Having said that, the domestic crowd is not exempt. Over the past year I have seen a few posts where racers have had their entire race setup stolen because someone took their trailer with all of their stuff. Just like what happened with Damian Borroto's stuff.

Just like Randy, I have been going to this event each year since I moved back to this part of the country in 2005. I have also seen it grow from a 1 day event to a massive 3 day event. It is the single race that many look forward to each year. How do you go about controlling the theft and riff raff in the crowd, I certainly don't have a good opinion for that right now, but I can side with Randy and say that I don't remember seeing or hearing about much of this stuff till the upstate import crowd started to really make a big showing. Hate to point fingers, but what can you do? I have watched knuckleheads from that area block off high traffic areas in the stands to play dice, which drew other morons over to throw money on the ground, cuss loudly, and act like you are in charge and people should bow down. One of those times that you wished you were 10' tall and bulletproof and just walk over and start wrecking those idiots faces. Is it all from that area, certainly not.

Even with that garbage that happens, I still love this event and won't let the idiots ruin my good time. If you all want, we can form a WCF Crew that assembles and sweeps the stands and other areas for knuckleheads being "hood" and beat them with sticks. Sounds logical to me........ :-P

 

Jerry Guzman aka JerryBuilt is currently stranded near Memphis TN on his way back to Cali from this event.

Anyone on here from the area can maybe help him out?

Send him a message or give him a call so he can get back on the road!!

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1805644261

 

bump for Jerry

 

You can always go to a closed pit area where each entry only gets a certain amount of bands to get into the pit area. Raise the prices for the event as a whole. Maybe even have a pit pass at a premium. Although half the fun is going to see the cars when they arent running down the track.

I hate to say it, but most events(not racing) have raised prices to try and keep the rif raf out.

 

Separate pits and spectator sections for imports and domestics

I know where I would be sitting...at least until the place is cleaned up a good bit.

 

I have gotten my two oldest boys to pick up bottles and cans after local events and they have collected really good amounts of money in recyclables....mind you that was an event with a few hundred fans, let alone 25,000 thousand or so. I'm sure the garbage pick up is offset by the money gained from recycling the cans and bottles, even if a few people walked around all day or after hours and picked them up. The track was clean each morning and ready to go, really shows just how well it is run and maintained. MIR is the best facility I have ever been to and the staff are amazing at what they do, couldn't ask for a better place to go watch some racing. We fly down from Eastern Canada each year and wouldn't miss it for the world.

 

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I was #2 qualifier out of 56 with a 10.011 and we went 3 rounds before breaking an axle. If I miss every gear our car is dead on a 10.0 LOL! We won first round and 2nd round a 10.02 car went red to my .066 light. He would have kicked himself had he known I was going to run out the back regardless. Not sure if that is considered "competing" but it was a good time. I've never raced index and probably never will again, but I have to admit it was a good time.

 

First off, want 2 thank GRS-Motorsports, E-Racer productions, and The Saucespot for the constant updates all weekend for those of us who were unable to attend. This thread is for updates & info on the event, after page 2 its been nothing but negative about the event. How bout the positive things ?? Reality is that you cant control whats going on in the events as far as smoking, drinking, etc. As for theft, that it something that can be worked on to prevent it. Funny how everybody is saying not to be stereotype but its the import-scene that's causing all this. Like BergRacing21 said, the domestic guys shouldn't be excluded from this with Alot of cases of drunk redneck people trying to fight over nothing and making a scene in front of kids so don't be quick to judge import related scene for everything. Lets just thank all the Racers, Teams, Sponsors, and MIR for putting a great show for everybody to see.

 

When you ran the 9.5x after one of the cars redlight, we laughed pretty good........he probably didn't after he got the slip. Maybe that was in qualifying, can't remember.

 

deff a great event, next year is going to be crazy

 

All the bitching aside, it was an awesome time and nothing will stop me from coming back. The biggest bummer for me over the weekend was SF not getting the comp clutch car down the track properly. Last year they were killin records. I was really hoping for the same.

The CCC/FTW car was absolutely ripping though.to the point of being re-teched.

 

If you were there you would know it was primarily the import crowd being unruly and breaking the law. Im sure there were "drunk rednecks" there although I did not notice many. Id say nearly 100% of the rif raf I noticed were import spectators. A lot of them sporting NY hats or jackets. IF you want to call it a stereotype or say im pointing fingers that's fine. But I call em like I see em.

why is it a must to smoke weed and shoot dice while watching drag racing? Why is it a must to do wheelies through the pits in golf carts with speakers blairing? Why have your stereo turned up in the pits louder than the 6 second cars blasting down the track?

Would you want your family around any of that? Would that not bother you if you were there to watch drag racing and enjoy the event the way it was meant to be enjoyed?

I can tell you it wasn't the "rednecks" doing any of that from what I saw.

 

That was 2nd round elims. 9.47 to his 10.02. They were cool...They were taking pictures of the car before we ran and talking about it when I fired it up. I think the exhaust was blowing in his window and he couldn't breathe. As soon as I saw the red I made sure I was standing on it He threw away a good pass for 10.0 index.

 

I agree with you, i still feel it was more import scene from what i could tell. But i did see plenty of incidents with others being too drunk, one off the top of my head a guy wearing his big burly camo hunting jacket, kicked a drink of some sort towards the stands/vendor area and i'm guessing it hit a guy standing there or one of the cars. All the the guy said who it hit was "hey man watch it" not in a very angry way (though i'd been pissed) and the guy in his camo jacket just starts piping his mouth screaming that he was gonna beat the other guys *** and cussing infront of everyone including children. Now i could pretty much stereotype what crowd he was from cause the buddies stopping him were wearing they're x275 shirts and ford shirts. That's just one example i saw.

I have a go-pro of some jackass squeezing his motor scooter between me (driving back up the pits) and a camaro loading his trailer up and almost hits both ours cars. These pit vehicles need to stop if its not towing a car to and from the track it's not needed.

Again i had a blast at the event as always, and i agree there is always gonna be stuff out of people's control. I do feel it's more import side than Domestic side but as car guys we need to all learn to come together. We're all at this event for the same reason, or i'd like to hope so

 

I don't expect to see the kind of security that one would see at an NHRA event but this event is no slouch in the profit department. I'm sure a couple security guards around the stands would go along way. During the bikini contest there were fans near/under the bleachers and I seen several close calls where glass beer bottles were dropped through the bleachers nearly missing the people below and shattering. Tighter security could have prevented this type of thing.

On the other hand, if you are on the fence about attending one of the best drag race events of the year, I wouldn't think twice about it. Come out, and witness the event in person. The Pros overcome any Cons.