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Old Apr 24, 2013 | 09:16 PM
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Just wondering if the battery in the passenger side will pass tech. I dont really want to bolt anything up until its for sure. I plan on running kill switch out to the back as well and want to minimize the wiring in the engine bay and IC piping is blocking the front bumpers.
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Old Apr 25, 2013 | 04:51 AM
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No. It has to be a sealed box, vented outside, to be in the cabin and be legal.
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Old Apr 25, 2013 | 12:41 PM
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I see that's an oddessy bat I thought dry cell batteries don't have to be in a sealed box and vented to the atmosphere don't qoute me I don't have time to look up the rule someone else will chime in
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Old Apr 25, 2013 | 12:52 PM
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dysseys don't out gas, and they have no liquid to spill, I'm not sure on this one might have to check into it, i know a bunch of police cars come with them under the seats like that, they are an extremely safe battery, so I'm not sure the applicable rules of a flooded conventional battery would apply, why not put it at the back near the cut off switch?
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Old Apr 25, 2013 | 12:57 PM
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nhra doesnt care whether its a dry cell battery or not, still gotta be sealed or in a closed-off area from the driver compartment
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Old Apr 25, 2013 | 01:01 PM
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thats retarded, they have nothing in common with a heavy hydrogen giving off battery full of liquid acid sloshing around, have to seal up a battery that is 100 percent sealed already
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Old Apr 25, 2013 | 01:09 PM
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the NHRA has their head so far up their collective ***, they cant tell the difference between a battery that outgasses and one that doesnt, even the FAA now allows dry cell batteries in aircraft cockpits
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Old Apr 25, 2013 | 01:13 PM
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Section 20, 8.1 of the General Regulations portion of the NHRA handbook reades as follows:
8:1 BATTERIES
All batteries must be securely mounted; must be of sufficient capacity to start vehicle at any time. Batteries may not be relocated into the driver or passenger compartments. Rear firewall of .024- inch steel or .032-inch aluminum (including package tray) required when battery is relocated in trunk. In lieu of rear firewall, battery may be located in a sealed .024-inch steel, .032-inch aluminum, or NHRA-accepted poly box. If sealed box is used in lieu of rear firewall, box may not be used to secure battery and must be vented outside of body. Relocated battery(s) must be fastened to frame or frame structure with a minimum of two 3/8-inch-diameter bolts. OEM located batteries without complete OEM hold-down hardware must be secured to OEM battery box/tray using the same 3/8-inch- diameter bolt hold-down method described in previous sentence. (“J” hooks prohibited or must have open end welded shut.) Metal battery hold-down straps mandatory. Strapping tape prohibited. A maximum of two automobile batteries, or 150 pounds combined maximum weight (unless otherwise specified in Class Requirements), is permitted. Maximums may vary according to Class Requirements.

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Old Apr 25, 2013 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by lostforawhile
the NHRA has their head so far up their collective ***, they cant tell the difference between a battery that outgasses and one that doesnt, even the FAA now allows dry cell batteries in aircraft cockpits
Ever hear of thermal runaway? It can happen with any battery. I wouldn't even consider having it in the cabin....

It's for safety and if you chose to skimp on that then you won't be able to race. Simple as that.

Just do it right, shut your mouth, and move on.
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Old Apr 25, 2013 | 01:29 PM
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This ^^^^^^^. Dont skimp on safety!
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Old Apr 25, 2013 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by tepid1
Ever hear of thermal runaway? It can happen with any battery. I wouldn't even consider having it in the cabin....

It's for safety and if you chose to skimp on that then you won't be able to race. Simple as that.

Just do it right, shut your mouth, and move on.
the issue is they are *** backwards on any kind of new technology, fine put it in a metal box, but it makes so sense to seal and vent a battery that is designed to never give off gasses, and if it's ina metal box in the passenger compartment, they are perfectly safe, mine is in a box behind the passenger seat, bolted securely to the floor pan through the box with heavy back up washers, 3/8 thick aluminum tie down on a >20 pound battery. I have no issues with having it there, I understand they need safety rules but they need to update those rules as new technology changes things, these batteries have been around for a while, and they are very safe. It's been proven over time, it makes no sense to treat a sealed AGM battery like a liquid acid old style battery
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Old Apr 25, 2013 | 02:08 PM
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Overcharge it and see what "gases" it omits.....
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Old Apr 25, 2013 | 02:23 PM
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yes they do gas i had 25 of them in my audio van and like ricky said overcharge them and see what happens
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Old Apr 25, 2013 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by sanman000719
yes they do gas i had 25 of them in my audio van and like ricky said overcharge them and see what happens
then dont overcharge them, they only have issues if you are trying to put too much voltage into them, they have no current inrush limits
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Old Apr 25, 2013 | 03:01 PM
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When the regulator in your alternator fails and it overcharges the battery, then what? Just put the piece of junk in the front bumper area and be done with it.
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Old Apr 25, 2013 | 03:41 PM
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It does not matter if you like the rules, they are the rules. No follow no race.
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Old Apr 25, 2013 | 03:45 PM
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the NHRA is destroying themselves anyway,
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Old Apr 25, 2013 | 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by lostforawhile
the NHRA is destroying themselves anyway,
Why? Because you don't have enough common sense to know that its for your own good?


PS its not only a NHRA rule...
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Old Apr 25, 2013 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by lostforawhile
then dont overcharge them, they only have issues if you are trying to put too much voltage into them, they have no current inrush limits
Really? Perhaps you should educate yourself in battery design and operation before you comment any further. Ever see a cell phone battery explode? It happens and more common than you think.

Originally Posted by lostforawhile
the NHRA is destroying themselves anyway,
NHRA doesn't care about you. It cares about it's members.

Originally Posted by nonvtecallmotor
Why? Because you don't have enough common sense to know that its for your own good?


PS its not only a NHRA rule...
Exactly. Every sanctioned automotive competition class I can think of has this as a rule. They all must be retarded and are destroying themselves too....
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Old Apr 25, 2013 | 04:32 PM
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How is this even a debate? Any battery in the world could potentially kill you in an over charge situation and I have had regulators fail dumping 50+ volts into a battery. I got lucky it was very intermittent and I caught it before a problem. It did trash the battery though. The best place for a fwd drag car battery is behind the front bumper anyway
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Old Apr 25, 2013 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by tepid1
Really? Perhaps you should educate yourself in battery design and operation before you comment any further. Ever see a cell phone battery explode? It happens and more common than you think.



NHRA doesn't care about you. It cares about it's members.



Exactly. Every sanctioned automotive competition class I can think of has this as a rule. They all must be retarded and are destroying themselves too....
you are comparing a lithium ion cell phone battery to an AMG battery in a car?
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Old Apr 25, 2013 | 05:59 PM
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ive actually witnessed a 16v battery explode, not a pretty thing. happened on the return road of all things.
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Old Apr 25, 2013 | 06:18 PM
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I to have seen a 16v batt blow up not cool
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Old Apr 26, 2013 | 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by lostforawhile
you are comparing a lithium ion cell phone battery to an AMG battery in a car?
I wasn't comparing anything. Are you paying attention?

A cell phone battery, yes lithium ion, is small and does some serious damage for it's size. That's all I'm saying.
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Old Apr 26, 2013 | 05:08 AM
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I remember when Jeff Evan's 16v battery nearly exploded.

There's other reasons beyond 'gassing out'......

Everyone else has it in the front bumper/fender/trunk for a reason.
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