Dodge has the neon srt-4, Saturn has the ion redline, Mitsubishi's coming out with another evo i think 12.9sec, subaru is probably calling for something cause they dont wanna get owned, Rumor has it Toyota is bringing out a super car, WHAT IS HONDA DOING???!! whats up with that TECH'ERS WHAT are we gonna do?

 

good point....honda it starting to get all economical abd **** all these hybrid cars...they should come out with some bad *** fwd setup

 

Thier theory is why do that, when the tuners can do it for them.

 

the only hope that honda had was the rsx type r. but they would be way over priced if they were to bring them overseas. for that i would buy a srt4 if i was looking for a performance car.

 

thay are building a truck

in this thread

but im glad they are, but they need a new "hot rod"


Modified by Jokerluv at 11:24 AM 3/31/2004

 

I think Honda realizes that their focus isn't on building fast street cars. From a business standpoint, they realize that they are ******* rich because they make economical vehicles, not hot rods. When you really think about it, in the big scheme of things, Honda enthusiasts represent a small minority of total Honda owners, and they know that, which is why they choose to simply cut their losses and not even try to venture into the "sport compact" market too deep, like Mitsubishi, Subaru and Dodge are doing, to name a few.

 

They will spend millions in F1. Last time I checked F1 cars didn't get great gas milage.

 

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Thats bullshit, theres almost 80,000 honda enthusiasts on thi site alone, and 3/4 of the honda enthusiasts i talk to on the street havent even heard of honda-tech. I would say we make up a huge part of the total honda owner scene.

 

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Thats bullshit, theres almost 80,000 honda enthusiasts on thi site alone, and 3/4 of the honda enthusiasts i talk to on the street havent even heard of honda-tech. I would say we make up a huge part of the total honda owner scene.</TD></TR></TABLE>

80,000? Let's say there's 200,000 enthusiasts total in the US. How many millions of stock, never-to-be-modded Hondas have been sold in the last 20 years? Get real, it's still not worth Honda's time to seriously venture into the sport compact market, considering the total owner base.

 

But its worth it to subarus, mistubishis and toyotas? think about how many modified hondas you see cruising around whether its just has i/h/e or a turbo setup etc. vs. how many modified subarus you see.

 

What is Honda doing? Honda is now making family cars and suv and sut. Lets look at the cars Honda has for the year. Accord coupe =Family car accord sedan = family car. Civic coupe =gas saver. Civic hybrid =?
Civic si =sports car a 2.0L motor not bad. Rated at 160hp @6500rpm 132lbs @5000. 9.8:1comp motor. CR-v =Family /suv.(nice blocks). Element =family car. Insight =?. Odyssey = family van. Pilot = suv.. S2000 = sports car. 2.2L 240hp sports car. The Acura RL =family car. Acura TL = family car.. Acura tsx 4door sports car. Rsx sports car. NSX super car. MDX pimp Ride
with honda not sponsering any big time drag teams(other then adam s)we are losing or big time honda drivers. Lisa K gone. ED B. gone. JoJo gone. and many other drivers quiting because they could not get any support. the srt-4 is looking like its going to be the new sport compact monster. the Toyota Scion is the new civic. honda is going to lose younger drivers. and the people looking for sports proformance.. lets wait and see the next big time honda drive to leave. kenny tran? Bisi Moto? LD? Ericks Racing? and look at all the honda in Pro FWD

 

why should Honda do it, the strength of Honda is in the Aftermarket!!!

Honestly, I think I'd pick a SRT-4 over an RSX S

 

For a few years now, the Civic has been one of the top 5 cars in the U.S. for value retention. Why? Because all the KiDz want one. Before tuners got a hold of them they were nothing but another reliable econobox, much like the Sentra or the Corolla. So where are they in terms of retaining value? Fact is, the aftermarket for Hondas is HUMONGOUS. Easily large enough to get the attention of a large automaker like Honda.

Why doesn't Honda respond "appropriately"? Because they are very slow to respond to changes in the market. That's the way their corporate structure works (and no, that's not really a good thing). Not that Mitsu and Subaru are all that much better, but they were lucky enough to already have well developed "pocket rockets" available in Europe. These cars are not new to anyone but us. Honda never produced a car in the same league with these (4 seats, awd, big turbocharged power, etc.), so they're not even going to try.

Even though I'm no fan of Dodge, the SRT-4 is an example of the ability to make quick decisions in reaction to the market. For once Dodge got it right...

 

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He's right.

 

I can agree that Honda hasnt considered us at all.
Eventually when these newer "sport compact" oriented cars within a few years will be more affordable (re-sale) and then most of us will probably end up buying those instead of hondas anymore...that is if they dont sell something worth buying compared to what other car makers are offering.

 

i just read an article in the wall street journal about this topic. The name of the article was "Civic lost its cool" i think if i remember correctly. It was talking about how honda used to be the car young people bought and the tuner car of choice. Well their numbers are now starting to slouch more and more each year. They talked about their competition evos, subarus, scions, and even talked about how people are trading in their hondas for ten year old rwd imports because of this "drift craze"
It talked about what honda planned to do and that was keeping its young buyers. There going to produce a car aimed at competing directly with the scion line up
Not exactly what i wanted but it seems they are still interested in young buyers but not "tuners" A guy at honda told me that their bringing back the si coupe though because everyone is hatting on the minivan they got now that they call a si. I like them so dont flame on my you ep owners out there

 

The problem is that if even if honda came out with a NEW "fast" car...I doubt many people would buy it new...I mean why would you besides the fact you get a warrenty

I can buy an EG or EK hatch for about $2,000-$4,500.
Buy a K20a (JDM ITR) for round $5500
Buy the Hybrid-Racing mount kit for $500
Hybrid-Racing Plug n' Play Harness $350
Axles for $350 to $600

I doubt that Honda will ever make a car that runs close to 12.8-13.3 et's for less than $10,000

 

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I can buy an EG or EK hatch for about $2,000-$4,500.
Buy a K20a (JDM ITR) for round $5500
Buy the Hybrid-Racing mount kit for $500
Hybrid-Racing Plug n' Play Harness $350
Axles for $350 to $600

I doubt that Honda will ever make a car that runs close to 12.8-13.3 et's for less than $10,000</TD></TR></TABLE>

No ****. There's just nothing practical from a business standpoint about what you just typed. What manufacturer would sell something that's damn fast out of the box for that cheap? Get real, you're comparing what a car enthusiast could do, vs. an entire automotive company. The two have very different priorities.

 

Mr. Honda needs to get his *** out of the Mugen Front Office, and go over to the Honda Front Office and kick some ***, IMHO... he still is the majority holder, IIRC...

****, as soon as the 'rest' of the car world caught on to Honda's attractiveness with the tuner market, Honda decided to go the other way, so to speak, and give us de-tuned garbage... MacPherson Stuts! Ptooey!

why the **** do you think Chevy started the 2.2 ecotech FWD race car? to catch Honda... ah, but Honda had a different plan... they just gave up the spot at the top of the podium in order to put some more money in their pockets, by sacrificing sportiness... BOO! HISS!!

&lt;-- is pissed at Honda...

 

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****, as soon as the 'rest' of the car world caught on to Honda's attractiveness with the tuner market, Honda decided to go the other way, so to speak, and give us de-tuned garbage... MacPherson Stuts! Ptooey!

why the **** do you think Chevy started the 2.2 ecotech FWD race car? to catch Honda... ah, but Honda had a different plan... they just gave up the spot at the top of the podium in order to put some more money in their pockets, by sacrificing sportiness... BOO! HISS!!

&lt;-- is pissed at Honda... </TD></TR></TABLE>

My question is...why does EVERY manufacturer have to enter the sport compact market, or stay in it? I don't see you guys shitting bricks that Kia doesn't have a Spectra Spec-Q or something on the market.

 

who gives a **** about Kia!

Honda has ALWAYS been about affordable sporty cars, ever since the first S500 rolled off the assembly line... for that to change in favor of, umm... making your cars WORSE, not better, in order to 'be more competetive' at the same time that literally every other major carmaker is jumping IN to the sport-compact world, is frigging retarded... Honda has it ***-backwards right now...

MSPs, Mazda 3s, Sentra SE-R, SRT-4's, the new cars that Chevy is bringing in to replace the Cavalier, the list goes on...

and what does Honda give us? a shittty, Hippo on Rollerskates with a crap Single VTC DOHC engine (VTEC only works on one side) ... the new Si's are crap... you couldn't pay me to drive one.

 

The k series is hondas new attempt at a sport car. Your telling me you cant build a fast k series?


Fk fwd if its a sports car then thats the first thing they should ditch..

dont get me wrong i drive fwd every day but for a sports car RWD just makes more sense.

 

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Can I get a AMEN!

 

Honda could have made a b-series block2.0L with some good cams. like spoon sports. or make a copy of jun cams and roll it of the lot making 215hp i would by it.i just designed the new type r for the year 2005. put it back in the dc2 body and you have a hit.
..

 

I always thought the K20a was honda's response to the Sport Compact Market. If I did my research correctly, the K20a can easily put out 250 whp with i/h/e, cams, and Hondata and that's without a snail or blower. So you can safely say that honda did their homework on the K20a block.