no not that easy

 

I heard a rumor that a U.S. version of the skyline will be coming

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sleeprhatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I heard a rumor that a U.S. version of the skyline will be coming </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yep, it's the Infiniti G35 family sedan.

edit: stil lerning to spel...

 

yes but there also coming out with a "international" r35 "GTR" soon
key word is GT-R not skyline

 

awd g35 coupe, I have no use for a v-6 sorry. I mean they are nice I want one but dont let them full you, its no I6 twin turbo....

 

honda don't care, it's the speed shops, tuners, and the after market performance people that do. that's why we build our hondas, because a small minority of us love hondas. honda co. could care less, they make billions doing what they do all over this world and thats making economical cars. every country in this world probably has a motor that says honda on it, whether it be a motorcycle, 4 wheeler, or a car. but not every country has a motor that says dodge or chevy on it.

when i visited thailand for a month i never saw an american car or truck there. everything was an import, and i saw about a hundred hondas and not one of them was even lowered or done up. all the cars that were fixed up were toyotas and nissans.
dodge made the srt because they were losing in the youth sport compact scene. and that scene is probably just here in the states. if you owned an american car company, what would be going through your mind. i would probably be thinking how could an import car company be beating us on our own turf.

my point is, honda don't care about the sport compact scene. if they did then we would be able to buy honda warrantied performance parts at the dealership.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boostincoupe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think Honda realizes that their focus isn't on building fast street cars. From a business standpoint, they realize that they are ******* rich because they make economical vehicles, not hot rods. When you really think about it, in the big scheme of things, Honda enthusiasts represent a small minority of total Honda owners, and they know that, which is why they choose to simply cut their losses and not even try to venture into the "sport compact" market too deep, like Mitsubishi, Subaru and Dodge are doing, to name a few. </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

ive been to thailand and i saw fixed up hondas
i saw itrs, and a lot of eg6s as well as their version of the si coupe
i also saw a trd wide body mr2, and a lot of fixed up four door nissans and toyotas
Dont remember what models they were

 

These are some great points you guys are making(some of us should be in charge of the developement for Honda's next sports car[we could use a K20a and max it a little just to tease the rest of the market ])... But back to the point. Lets take the supra for example. Its been said that stock block can take over 600 hp. With that in mind, we all know Honda is capable of producing an engine with at least results like that. Why dont they do something like that, throw their version of such a powerful block in a highly priced sports car, competing with bmw, mercedes, ferrari, Lamborghini, etc (price-wise of course), to offset the low cost of tuning your regular stock honda/Acura? Would that be kinda cool?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HondAcura &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> These are some great points you guys are making(some of us should be in charge of the developement for Honda's next sports car[we could use a K20a and max it a little just to tease the rest of the market ])... But back to the point. Lets take the supra for example. Its been said that stock block can take over 600 hp. With that in mind, we all know Honda is capable of producing an engine with at least results like that. Why dont they do something like that, throw their version of such a powerful block in a highly priced sports car, competing with bmw, mercedes, ferrari, Lamborghini, etc (price-wise of course), to offset the low cost of tuning your regular stock honda/Acura? Would that be kinda cool?</TD></TR></TABLE>

It might "seem" cool, but that's not their goal/mission. Every business has a mission. Honda's is economy. Get over it.

 

This is an excellent topic. I'm actually pro-Toyota, but I have and love Hondas too. Let's look at a few things:
Toyota has been out of the sport car business for quite some time (1998). They tried to fight Honda on their own turf by coming out with a naturally aspirated 1.8 180 horsepower Celica. Let's face it, Toyota is known for powerful turbocharged engines in an attractive body. Trying to go N/A with the Celica and Matrix just wasn't a good idea to me. They've been sucking Mitsubishi's dust since the early '90's. They are trying to recover by coming out with some new Supra (?) that's also slated to be N/A. Subaru has always been a terrible product, but they've finally got something worth buying with the WRX and the STi. Dodge came out with the SRT-4 because people they thought would rather buy a cheaper, more affordable Neon walked off and spent money on more expensive, more sporty Honda Civics. Chevrolet did EXTENSIVE work on the Cavalier/Sunfire 2.2 Ecotecs. They were getting killed in this demographic probably worse than anyone else. The Cavalier/Sunfire used to look like a car for old people to retire in. The engines (pre-Ecotec) were anemic and ALWAYS had problems. The Ecotec that we know now is actually a 240+ horsepower turbocharged Ecotec that GM puts in their Saab lineup. Mitsubishi learned their lesson in 2000 when they stupidly decided to make Eclipses without the famous 4G63 turbo engine. Nobody really wants an N/A Eclipse, so Mitsubishi wised up and came back with a vengeance with the Evo.
Here's my bottom line: Honda should do what Nissan did. They made it so that their best 4 cylinder engine (SR20DE-T) is available in FWD and RWD platforms. Why doesn't Honda take the F20C (S2000) motor and make that available in a FWD and then turbocharge it? It would be NASTY. Civics would be flying off the showroom floors.Honda has to stay competitive one way or another, and somehow, I don't think that making EVERYTHING hybrid is a good idea.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thier theory is why do that, when the tuners can do it for them.
</TD></TR></TABLE> Thats the answer to the question in full. Why would they waste money with R&D and design, and pruduction, and advertizement of something thats just lost in the croud of sport compacts?! HONDA HAS ALREADY OWNDED ALL! All the other car manufacturers look to honda as a father. One sentence answers the question on why they dont come out with a "fast fwd"...They have the b18c5, and the Type-R chassis. Its been done, they have moved on. They wish to spend money on whats going to be needed in the FUTURE. Such as economically friendly vehicles. Honda knows whats going to be popular, before it happends. THere is going to be a need for gas-friendly vehicles easily within the next 20 years. Gas dosent rain from the sky, and eventually we are going to suck the earth dry. Honda is simply making the future become the present with vehicle engine configuration... The answer to that question is HONDA is the leader of technology advancement PERIOD! They have already proved they can make a fast, small dicplacement FWD capable of power and agility of a race car. THeyve moved on. [QUOTEboost_dependent]Why doesn't Honda take the F20C (S2000) motor and make that available in a FWD and then turbocharge it? It would be NASTY. Civics would be flying off the showroom floors.Honda has to stay competitive one way or another, and somehow, I don't think that making EVERYTHING hybrid is a good idea.[/QUOTE] Hahaha Honda+FI?! They wont, and will not- (except on their waverunners! ) The last FI production car was a van back in the 70's correct?

 

It was rumored that the NSX replacement, the HSC was going to debut a new high power hybrid platform but that rumor has been laid to rest. I think Honda still has performance in mind but it has taken a back burner in the interest of being the leader in the next generation of automobiles... hybrids.

It's inevitable [spelling?] that all cars will one day be hybrids of some sort so Honda is trying to do what they always do... stay ahead of the pack.

I wouldn't worry though, things have a way of evolving and coming around again. Before you know it we will all be driving some kick *** electric motors and tuning those. They can take away our combustion chambers but they can never remove the tuner in people.

Then our cars as we know them today will be like the muscle cars of yester-year. They won't die or disappear but will instead become more of a cult following and we can weed out all of the wannabe's that are only in it for the bling. We'll end up with die hard enthusiasts who are collecting, building, and restoring our combustion hondas like they're antique collectibles or something.


Modified by h22avid at 9:26 PM 4/2/2004

 

The K motors have tons of potential. When people start getting serious you'll see that. And one of the reasons why hondas are so big is because they're cheap. The cost of everything just wouldn't cut it.

 

[QUOTE=h22avid]Then our cars as we know them today will be like the muscle cars of yester-year. They won't die or disappear but will instead become more of a cult following and we can weed out all of the wannabe's that are only in it for the bling. We'll end up with die hard enthusiasts who are collecting, building, and restoring our combustion hondas like they're antique collectibles or something.[QUOTE=h22avid]

That is so true!

On the same note, Honda is setting the standard for SULEV. By 2010 SULEV (super ultra low emissions) will be in full affect. Learned that in a module at work.

 

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honda produced the k series motor... that is definitely the future i think. Products and hp for it are being produced, and to see some of the motors come out all ready, they are easily putting out over 300 hp all motor..... i dont know about you, but theres still a future in that. Honda doesnt have to develop crazy *** cars.... the tuner people do it for them, and all those companies out there do it for them ,so they dont have to worry about it....

 

Honda is very involved in racing; Formula One. I don't think sportcompact drag racing could or would ever compete with the kind of chedder that that particular sport is producing. But I do believe they have helped out Steph and another pro who has not yet surfaced. Lets not forget that the B and H series motors have dominated the sport compact scene for over 15 years and if we had the type of research and development that GM has put forth, I believe they would still dominate. But even better yet, the K Series motor has the capability to dominate for another 15 years. I guess you guys are just pissed off that you have to purchase complete turbo systems. It takes just as much money to make a Dodge Neon go low 8's as it does a Honda. Guess that's my view of it, being that Im a hot rod class racer.

 

Good thread, good points. I'm sure some people smarter than us have spent a ton of time considering building a 'enthusist' car. Maybe we will look back at this thread in a year or two and laugh because the new Honda ????? just came out and it is so damn fast.

 

Im going to continue to mod my hatch and hopefully be able to smoke all of these new expensive cars. Nothing like 350whp in a 1900 pound car