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Old 10-24-2011, 02:08 PM
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BEP has a FMW 72mm unit and the BMW 72mm units. I don't believe BW has a billet unit though....
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Whats the price for one of these going for? Looking for an ungrade for next year and thought the 72mm s400.
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Ordered mine from a friend today who is a dealer for a great price. Got the 1.25 housing.
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Default Re: S400 67mm?

I have a couple BW 72mm billet S400's. So far we have ran 9.65 @158 (small tire)


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Default Re: S400 67mm?

Here is a comparison

Borg K31 billet 71mm "left"
Borg 71mm 7 blade cast "middle"
Borg 71mm 6 blade billet "right"

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Default Re: S400 67mm?

So far from what i have read there are several billet wheel available for the s400sx 72.

Bep batmowheel 6blade
ED billet wheel 11blade
FI billet wheel 6blade i think

There are some more.

Some claims as high as 100hp were gained with the batmowheel upgarde compared to the 7blade cast.

Another thing is weight, the ED billet wheel is the lightest from what i have read.
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Originally Posted by uglyasscivic
Here is a comparison

Borg K31 billet 71mm "left"
Borg 71mm 7 blade cast "middle"
Borg 71mm 6 blade billet "right"

Very nice! Did you manufacture them at your own spec?
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Very nice! Did you manufacture them at your own spec?
Ya kinda, lol. I take apart the shelf unit, instal a 360 thrust, mod the CHRA and backplate a bit, put the billet wheel on and balance. Nothing crazy.
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Those are nice. Did you actually see on the dyno how much change in power/spool compared to the cast wheel?
Some of the diesel guys on the other forums,
Usually just swap out/unbolt the comp housing and the comp wheel and slap on a billet wheel upgrade for their s400sx.

Its just a matter of who's billet wheel you'll run.
Old 11-09-2011, 04:14 AM
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3 comments:

-at MIR worldcup jeff evans just became the first truestreet car in the 8s using this S400SX 67mm turbo: http://www.full-race.com/store/borgw...sx3-turbo.html and of course did it with the small 24.5" tires

-nonvtecallmotor mentioned there is a few prototype BorgWarner 71mm turbos floating around, none of them use a "billet" compressor wheel. These were designed in-house by BW engineers. the other stuff ive seen posted in this thread did NOT come from asheville afaik...

-the "old" cast 71mm remains their latest blade type - the difference is in the turbine wheel since the 83mm is the perfect match for their 91mm '91S74' compressor... not the 100mm '100S71'
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Default Re: S400 67mm?

so what best size housing for a divide manifold.
Old 11-09-2011, 06:50 AM
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1.10 a/r for a street car or engine with moderate VE

1.25 a/r for a drag car or engine with high VE
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Originally Posted by Full-Race Geoff
3 comments:

-at MIR worldcup jeff evans just became the first truestreet car in the 8s using this S400SX 67mm turbo: http://www.full-race.com/store/borgw...sx3-turbo.html and of course did it with the small 24.5" tires

-nonvtecallmotor mentioned there is a few prototype BorgWarner 71mm turbos floating around, none of them use a "billet" compressor wheel. These were designed in-house by BW engineers. the other stuff ive seen posted in this thread did NOT come from asheville afaik...

-the "old" cast 71mm remains their latest blade type - the difference is in the turbine wheel since the 83mm is the perfect match for their 91mm '91S74' compressor... not the 100mm '100S71'
Correct
Borg Warner sent me a "new" 71mm to test and it is STILL CAST.

I have yet run it past 31psi.

31psi netted an amasing 160mph in my car. I was way past that psi to run the same speeds with the "old" turbo.

I usaully only pick up ~30mph on the backhalf. With this turbo I picked up 39mph at only 31psi. It is show promise thats for sure.

Big thumbs to Borg Warner and Full-Race.


Lets not forget that the Prelude went 9.33@161 and a 9.37@162 with the Borg Warner S400SX billet 67mm.
Old 11-09-2011, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by nonvtecallmotor
Lets not forget that the Prelude went 9.33@161 with the Borg Warner S400SX billet 67mm.
absolutely sick. he told me he gained 14mph over the precision billet 67 he ran previously - no other changes besides turbo
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Our shop car,
sfwd
s372r was cast wheel upgraded to billet wheel (didn't see a difference yet since we are still on the same boost?)
9.66 @ 159 cast wheel
9.65 @ 158 billet wheel
this was done all at same boost 33-34psi.
Old 11-09-2011, 06:18 PM
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What best size housing for b16 race car using full race top mount twin scroll? Remember it's a B16
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Originally Posted by boosted hybrid
The turbo will outperform any 67mm on the market hands down. I trapped 165 mph with 34 psi at 2600 lbs. I should be into the low 170 mph range around 40 psi. You want the 1.25 a/r housing if you are building a divided manifold, backpressure on the 1.10 a/r starts picking up alot above 30 psi. It dropped around 1:1 @ 34 psi with the 1.25 a/r housing. Emap is dependent on other factors, but you should see similar results at the same pressure ratio range on your engine. Spool/response between the 1.10 and 1.25 a/r was almost identical. I think the turbo can easily produce the same power/trap speeds as the cast 72mm s400sx.
So the 1.10 would work best on undivided and 1.25 for divided manifold? Any other inputs on the turbo?
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Originally Posted by eaddagwan
So the 1.10 would work best on undivided and 1.25 for divided manifold? Any other inputs on the turbo?
No you got it all wrong. Jeff said if you're gonna boost north of 30psi than the 1.25 housing would be better.
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Originally Posted by Nasty_EK
What best size housing for b16 race car using full race top mount twin scroll? Remember it's a B16
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Originally Posted by Hyper16-Johnny
No you got it all wrong. Jeff said if you're gonna boost north of 30psi than the 1.25 housing would be better.
Ahhh I see.. good info.
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Was stoked to see Evan's tuning run the time they did with that turbo and then to find out that Prelude was doing what it was doing on the same one. Makes me even more excited to get my SRT going with it.

Good info guys! I hope more people opt for this turbo and have great luck with it!
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Originally Posted by Nasty_EK
What best size housing for b16 race car using full race top mount twin scroll? Remember it's a B16
1.10 a/r is a great starting point, and what i recommend for most builds. However the 1.25a/r is the call for a fully built, 84mm bore, long stroke high compression, etc.. if its a dedicated track car, the 1.25 would be fine

Originally Posted by eaddagwan
So the 1.10 would work best on undivided and 1.25 for divided manifold? Any other inputs on the turbo?
i agree with that statement for the most part - of course some larger displacement engines will still want the 1.25 for undivided setups

Originally Posted by 95exdsmkilla
Our shop car,
sfwd
s372r was cast wheel upgraded to billet wheel (didn't see a difference yet since we are still on the same boost?)
9.66 @ 159 cast wheel
9.65 @ 158 billet wheel
this was done all at same boost 33-34psi.
my understanding is you will not gain *anything* from going billet over bw's cast 71mm compressor.

Originally Posted by itspools
Was stoked to see Evan's tuning run the time they did with that turbo and then to find out that Prelude was doing what it was doing on the same one.
pretty crazy to see the giant prelude running numbers like that. roger is sick!!
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Well ordered the 67mm 1.25 housing..hopefully it will Work out ok on small b16..fingers crossed
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I like the sound of the 1.25 a/r.
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Originally Posted by Nasty_EK
Well ordered the 67mm 1.25 housing..hopefully it will Work out ok on small b16..fingers crossed
There will be another b16 using it next season!


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