practice video from this weekend
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Re: practice video from this weekend (turbotypeR@SPEC)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbotypeR@SPEC »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I still have all the love in the world for MFactory and will defend them to the end. The tranny I was using is a fine tranny(I still have it for backup), but it is no mystery that I can go faster with a clutchless dogbox. Like I said before, I just took advantage of the opportunity to get the dogbox. If I did not jump on it, I might never get to.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hmmm
Wierd. Well good luck. I went 9.7 with a nice boost leak. With less than 30 psi up top and i was using the Mfactory Tranny. Love it! No clutchless dog box here. 
Nice runs hope you get those nines!!
I still have all the love in the world for MFactory and will defend them to the end. The tranny I was using is a fine tranny(I still have it for backup), but it is no mystery that I can go faster with a clutchless dogbox. Like I said before, I just took advantage of the opportunity to get the dogbox. If I did not jump on it, I might never get to.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hmmm
Wierd. Well good luck. I went 9.7 with a nice boost leak. With less than 30 psi up top and i was using the Mfactory Tranny. Love it! No clutchless dog box here. Nice runs hope you get those nines!!
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Re: practice video from this weekend (Antilag)
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Hmmm Wierd. Well good luck. I went 9.7 with a nice boost leak. With less than 30 psi up top and i was using the Mfactory Tranny. Love it! No clutchless dog box here. Nice runs hope you get those nines!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
I went .15 faster than I have ever been with 9 mph less, but there were many contributing factors. I changed the wastegate setup to eliminate boost creep in first and second. I also made some changes to the suspension and those two things helped, but... I had issues on those runs with the strain gauge. After shifting, I continued to pull on the shifter which in turn hit an ignition cut above 8500rpm. That is why the car sounds funny in 4th gear. I didn't figure it out until after I got home and looked through the logs really good. All in all, I think the car is going to go about .5sec faster with all of these changes and even more once I get the car dialed in.
Like I said the tranny I was running was fine and I will stand behind it 100%. I still have my tranny and I am going to keep it for a backup. The dogbox is in a whole other category though. It costs megabucks and is worth the money, but if you can't afford one, the MFactory gearset will hold up just fine. The big difference is that you still have to clutch the car and there is more chance for error and there is always the shock to the tranny from the clutch. With the dogbox, there is less chance for error, quicker shifts which creates less rpm and boost drop(I have logs to prove it), and the only shock from the clutch is when you launch the car.
I did not make this change to step on anybody's toes. I did what I felt was best for me and the car while I had an opportunity to. I appreicate everything that Mfactory has done for me, and I will continue to promote their products for them.
Hmmm
Wierd. Well good luck. I went 9.7 with a nice boost leak. With less than 30 psi up top and i was using the Mfactory Tranny. Love it! No clutchless dog box here. Nice runs hope you get those nines!!</TD></TR></TABLE>I went .15 faster than I have ever been with 9 mph less, but there were many contributing factors. I changed the wastegate setup to eliminate boost creep in first and second. I also made some changes to the suspension and those two things helped, but... I had issues on those runs with the strain gauge. After shifting, I continued to pull on the shifter which in turn hit an ignition cut above 8500rpm. That is why the car sounds funny in 4th gear. I didn't figure it out until after I got home and looked through the logs really good. All in all, I think the car is going to go about .5sec faster with all of these changes and even more once I get the car dialed in.
Like I said the tranny I was running was fine and I will stand behind it 100%. I still have my tranny and I am going to keep it for a backup. The dogbox is in a whole other category though. It costs megabucks and is worth the money, but if you can't afford one, the MFactory gearset will hold up just fine. The big difference is that you still have to clutch the car and there is more chance for error and there is always the shock to the tranny from the clutch. With the dogbox, there is less chance for error, quicker shifts which creates less rpm and boost drop(I have logs to prove it), and the only shock from the clutch is when you launch the car.
I did not make this change to step on anybody's toes. I did what I felt was best for me and the car while I had an opportunity to. I appreicate everything that Mfactory has done for me, and I will continue to promote their products for them.
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Re: practice video from this weekend (turbotypeR@SPEC)
How can you promote their product if you arent using it? You are going to run mfactory stickers and push it to the public when in fact that isnt really what you are using. Dont you think people are going to get the wrong impression? wouldnt that be like false advertising?
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Re: practice video from this weekend (miller)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by miller »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How can you promote their product if you arent using it? You are going to run mfactory stickers and push it to the public when in fact that isnt really what you are using. Dont you think people are going to get the wrong impression? wouldnt that be like false advertising?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Miller I'm not sure what your problem is with MFactory and their gearsets. You said in another post that you were sick of customers suggesting that they might want an MF gearset. Why? It is a great alternative for someone that doesn't want to spend $7000 to get their car rolling. Some people might want to figure out the other quirks of putting that much power down on the track before they drop the big change on the Liberty. What would happen to your customers if they went out there and trashed $5000 worth of gears on their second pass like you did? There are several cars out there running great numbers on the MFactory PRO gears and having no issues.
The gears are very strong, and as you found out, even the big money trans can be shattered with little effort if the clutch is applied wrong. MFactory is a good company and they are one of the few left that is putting money into our sport. To me...that means something.
Best of luck. Your car looks outstanding.
Miller I'm not sure what your problem is with MFactory and their gearsets. You said in another post that you were sick of customers suggesting that they might want an MF gearset. Why? It is a great alternative for someone that doesn't want to spend $7000 to get their car rolling. Some people might want to figure out the other quirks of putting that much power down on the track before they drop the big change on the Liberty. What would happen to your customers if they went out there and trashed $5000 worth of gears on their second pass like you did? There are several cars out there running great numbers on the MFactory PRO gears and having no issues.
The gears are very strong, and as you found out, even the big money trans can be shattered with little effort if the clutch is applied wrong. MFactory is a good company and they are one of the few left that is putting money into our sport. To me...that means something.
Best of luck. Your car looks outstanding.
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Re: practice video from this weekend (4piston)
Awesome job Danny car is moving can't wait to see it again this weekend SFWD class should be fun. I don't see my car going as far as it did at the dragway 42 event but from all the cars I know around here that is going your sitting pretty well in the class so good luck ahead of time and let me know if you need any help with anything
IF/when I decide to make my car a strictly track car I will be looking to get a dogbox also. I understand where your coming from it's hard to pass something up that you know will help your car go that much faster.
IF/when I decide to make my car a strictly track car I will be looking to get a dogbox also. I understand where your coming from it's hard to pass something up that you know will help your car go that much faster.
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Re: practice video from this weekend (bads2k)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bads2k »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Awesome job Danny car is moving can't wait to see it again this weekend SFWD class should be fun. I don't see my car going as far as it did at the dragway 42 event but from all the cars I know around here that is going your sitting pretty well in the class so good luck ahead of time and let me know if you need any help with anything
IF/when I decide to make my car a strictly track car I will be looking to get a dogbox also. I understand where your coming from it's hard to pass something up that you know will help your car go that much faster.
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Thanks! we'll see you there!
IF/when I decide to make my car a strictly track car I will be looking to get a dogbox also. I understand where your coming from it's hard to pass something up that you know will help your car go that much faster.
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Thanks! we'll see you there!
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Re: practice video from this weekend (4piston)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4piston »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Miller I'm not sure what your problem is with MFactory and their gearsets. You said in another post that you were sick of customers suggesting that they might want an MF gearset. Why? It is a great alternative for someone that doesn't want to spend $7000 to get their car rolling. Some people might want to figure out the other quirks of putting that much power down on the track before they drop the big change on the Liberty. What would happen to your customers if they went out there and trashed $5000 worth of gears on their second pass like you did? There are several cars out there running great numbers on the MFactory PRO gears and having no issues.
The gears are very strong, and as you found out, even the big money trans can be shattered with little effort if the clutch is applied wrong. MFactory is a good company and they are one of the few left that is putting money into our sport. To me...that means something.
Best of luck. Your car looks outstanding. </TD></TR></TABLE>
My statement was to Danny about the sponsorship deal and i have talked to him privatley to discuss it. He knows i wasnt attacking him, i was just asking a question.
I have no issues with mfactory at all, but they havent proven anything to me to use their product. I dont use any product i dont stand behind. Where did i say anything bad about mfactory in this thread?
As far as my issues with my liberty trans, well that was something that happens. Its racing and **** breaks and that is the same reason i have one there being built for a backup. I have seen liberty **** handle some very extreme abuse. As far as my situation, it had nothing to do with clutch engagement. I offered the racepak data to liberty to show them the clutch wasnt even fully engaged when it broke and they said they wanted to see the trans first. In the end liberty fixxed my trans at no cost for the parts that were broken. They tested the gears and found the heat treatment process wasnt done correctly. It shows alot on their part that they admitted to a mistake and took care of it asap.
Miller I'm not sure what your problem is with MFactory and their gearsets. You said in another post that you were sick of customers suggesting that they might want an MF gearset. Why? It is a great alternative for someone that doesn't want to spend $7000 to get their car rolling. Some people might want to figure out the other quirks of putting that much power down on the track before they drop the big change on the Liberty. What would happen to your customers if they went out there and trashed $5000 worth of gears on their second pass like you did? There are several cars out there running great numbers on the MFactory PRO gears and having no issues.
The gears are very strong, and as you found out, even the big money trans can be shattered with little effort if the clutch is applied wrong. MFactory is a good company and they are one of the few left that is putting money into our sport. To me...that means something.
Best of luck. Your car looks outstanding.
</TD></TR></TABLE>My statement was to Danny about the sponsorship deal and i have talked to him privatley to discuss it. He knows i wasnt attacking him, i was just asking a question.
I have no issues with mfactory at all, but they havent proven anything to me to use their product. I dont use any product i dont stand behind. Where did i say anything bad about mfactory in this thread?
As far as my issues with my liberty trans, well that was something that happens. Its racing and **** breaks and that is the same reason i have one there being built for a backup. I have seen liberty **** handle some very extreme abuse. As far as my situation, it had nothing to do with clutch engagement. I offered the racepak data to liberty to show them the clutch wasnt even fully engaged when it broke and they said they wanted to see the trans first. In the end liberty fixxed my trans at no cost for the parts that were broken. They tested the gears and found the heat treatment process wasnt done correctly. It shows alot on their part that they admitted to a mistake and took care of it asap.
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Re: practice video from this weekend (rota92)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rota92 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Does Steve run the mfactory box with a g-force shifter? I'm sure powershifting with the G-force would be very close to the dogbox as far as times go.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I used it with the g-force shifter and yes, it is close, but you still have to push in and release the clutch. That takes longer than just pulling the shifter, and there is more chance for a mistake. Also, there is less mph drop and boost drop. On the logs, the boost and mph never slow down. Pretty much, car pulls hard for the whole run and never drops off. Don't get me wrong, the syncro setup works fine and can be shifted pretty quick, but the dogbox is quicker. It also costs about $4500 more including the strain gauge and g-force shifter. Some people can't afford to do that. In that situation, the MFactory stuff is the way to go.
I used it with the g-force shifter and yes, it is close, but you still have to push in and release the clutch. That takes longer than just pulling the shifter, and there is more chance for a mistake. Also, there is less mph drop and boost drop. On the logs, the boost and mph never slow down. Pretty much, car pulls hard for the whole run and never drops off. Don't get me wrong, the syncro setup works fine and can be shifted pretty quick, but the dogbox is quicker. It also costs about $4500 more including the strain gauge and g-force shifter. Some people can't afford to do that. In that situation, the MFactory stuff is the way to go.
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Congrats Danny, good ol' Steele, Al. We love that track, its pretty consistent, seen Titan there a couple of times.
As far as the MFactory gears vs. the dogbox. We have $20k in our car not 40k+ like others. We wouldnt ever have the disposable income to drop several thousand dollars on a tranny. The MFactory gears are perfect for a SPORTSMAN car. Strong enough to hold the power that the cars can make and somewhat affordable for a serious sportsman.
p.s. new camera man is a must.
Modified by josh green at 7:18 AM 8/23/2008
As far as the MFactory gears vs. the dogbox. We have $20k in our car not 40k+ like others. We wouldnt ever have the disposable income to drop several thousand dollars on a tranny. The MFactory gears are perfect for a SPORTSMAN car. Strong enough to hold the power that the cars can make and somewhat affordable for a serious sportsman.
p.s. new camera man is a must.
Modified by josh green at 7:18 AM 8/23/2008
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Re: practice video from this weekend (rota92)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rota92 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Does Steve run the mfactory box with a g-force shifter? I'm sure powershifting with the G-force would be very close to the dogbox as far as times go.</TD></TR></TABLE>
No i run a stock oem shifter, shift linkage.
No i run a stock oem shifter, shift linkage.
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Re: practice video from this weekend (BlownHatch)
wait, so you got the mfactory trans for free, and then still decided to buy a liberty/gforce? lol that really doesn't say much to the public about mfactory
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Re: practice video from this weekend (turbotypeR@SPEC)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbotypeR@SPEC »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I went .15 faster than I have ever been with 9 mph less, but there were many contributing factors. I changed the wastegate setup to eliminate boost creep in first and second. I also made some changes to the suspension and those two things helped, but... I had issues on those runs with the strain gauge. After shifting, I continued to pull on the shifter which in turn hit an ignition cut above 8500rpm. That is why the car sounds funny in 4th gear. I didn't figure it out until after I got home and looked through the logs really good. All in all, I think the car is going to go about .5sec faster with all of these changes and even more once I get the car dialed in.
Like I said the tranny I was running was fine and I will stand behind it 100%. I still have my tranny and I am going to keep it for a backup. The dogbox is in a whole other category though. It costs megabucks and is worth the money, but if you can't afford one, the MFactory gearset will hold up just fine. The big difference is that you still have to clutch the car and there is more chance for error and there is always the shock to the tranny from the clutch. With the dogbox, there is less chance for error, quicker shifts which creates less rpm and boost drop(I have logs to prove it), and the only shock from the clutch is when you launch the car.
I did not make this change to step on anybody's toes. I did what I felt was best for me and the car while I had an opportunity to. I appreicate everything that Mfactory has done for me, and I will continue to promote their products for them. </TD></TR></TABLE>
whats the lowest rpm it drop to now?
I went .15 faster than I have ever been with 9 mph less, but there were many contributing factors. I changed the wastegate setup to eliminate boost creep in first and second. I also made some changes to the suspension and those two things helped, but... I had issues on those runs with the strain gauge. After shifting, I continued to pull on the shifter which in turn hit an ignition cut above 8500rpm. That is why the car sounds funny in 4th gear. I didn't figure it out until after I got home and looked through the logs really good. All in all, I think the car is going to go about .5sec faster with all of these changes and even more once I get the car dialed in.
Like I said the tranny I was running was fine and I will stand behind it 100%. I still have my tranny and I am going to keep it for a backup. The dogbox is in a whole other category though. It costs megabucks and is worth the money, but if you can't afford one, the MFactory gearset will hold up just fine. The big difference is that you still have to clutch the car and there is more chance for error and there is always the shock to the tranny from the clutch. With the dogbox, there is less chance for error, quicker shifts which creates less rpm and boost drop(I have logs to prove it), and the only shock from the clutch is when you launch the car.
I did not make this change to step on anybody's toes. I did what I felt was best for me and the car while I had an opportunity to. I appreicate everything that Mfactory has done for me, and I will continue to promote their products for them. </TD></TR></TABLE>
whats the lowest rpm it drop to now?
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Re: practice video from this weekend (BoostedJeff)
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wait, so you got the mfactory trans for free, and then still decided to buy a liberty/gforce? lol that really doesn't say much to the public about mfactory
Honestly to me I think it is a great compliment to MFactory that the Liberty dog box and MF gears are compared here....equal or not. That is great!! One is a dog engagement and the other is straight cut synchro engagement.
A racer on here can get into an MFactory straight cut gearset for $1699.95 and eliminate a lot of the BS of running a stock gearset. That is quite different from $5500-7000 to get setup for a Liberty. The MF gears are within reach for anyone, and the Liberty is out of reach to most.
If you remember way back to when Hot Rod was the popular class like SFWD is today, people didn't break gears as often as you might think. Some guys did, but not everyone. I'll use Joe Demaree as an example just because I know a little about what he went through with trannies. His car made about 820-880hp and weighed close to what some SFWD cars weigh today. You guys are around 2400-2450 right? I think he was 2250 and on a 28 inch tire. He ran used stock B16 trannies with a spool and I can't remember him breaking too many gears. He clutched the car every pass and did not flatshift. No fancy boost controllers, no fancy trannies, a tad lighter, and 8.40s @ 174mph. Near the end he cracked a couple tranny cases and having 2+ race SEASONS on them, but those gears had TONS of passes on them all well into the 8s. Around the same time, Chuck was making similar power and breaking gears quite often (correct me if I'm wrong). There are a lot of variables...driving style, car setup, clutch setup, etc. It was just funny to see guys with stock boxes and 150 passes on them running within 2 tenths of guys with $40,000 Xtrac setups. Now guys with less power, smaller tires, more control over their power, etc....break the hell out of these trannies all the time. I'm sure Tony and others could comment more on HR cars of back in the day.
If Hot Rod could have had something like the $1699 MFactory gears back then, maybe they could have run a couple tenths faster and worked on things other than inspecting old trannies and filing teeth all the time.
The MFactory gearset is a great alternative for people who don't want to take out a second mortage to have a nice transmission. Danny's latest results speak for themselves....he ran within a tenth on the MF gears and a smaller tire as he has so far on the Liberty flatshifting. That is not to say he won't have great improvement, but it won't be just because of the tranny. Sorry guys if I have said something out of place here, but it is irrritating when I see guys bashing a product that they have not tested, not even seen first hand, and even talking about a "sponsorship" which they know nothing about. It was good to finally meet you in person this week Danny. The car really looks nice
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Re: practice video from this weekend (BoostedJeff)
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how about those guys buying a $5000 liberty and having to buy a backup? LOL. Thats pretty funny to me right there. That doesnt really say much about the product to the public.
how about those guys buying a $5000 liberty and having to buy a backup? LOL. Thats pretty funny to me right there. That doesnt really say much about the product to the public.
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Re: practice video from this weekend (BoostedJeff)
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You have no idea what I paid for anything. The MFactory stuff was not free, and what I paid is none of your business anyway. Funny thing is, I haven't paid a dime for the Liberty. Yet.LOL
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how about those guys buying a $5000 liberty and having to buy a backup? LOL. Thats pretty funny to me right there. That doesnt really say much about the product to the public.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well put.LOL
Nice to meet you too Luke
You have no idea what I paid for anything. The MFactory stuff was not free, and what I paid is none of your business anyway. Funny thing is, I haven't paid a dime for the Liberty. Yet.LOL
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how about those guys buying a $5000 liberty and having to buy a backup? LOL. Thats pretty funny to me right there. That doesnt really say much about the product to the public.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well put.LOL
Nice to meet you too Luke
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Re: practice video from this weekend (turbotypeR@SPEC)
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. Funny thing is, I haven't paid a dime for the Liberty. Yet.LOL
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. Funny thing is, I haven't paid a dime for the Liberty. Yet.LOL
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