I know of many cars that this would be perfect for.

 

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Agreed, I can think of a handful of my customers/friends that would be interested in this controller.

NLR always stayin' on top!

 

okay....board design is finished!

Now here is a question for you guys.

whats the most amount of pressure you would apply on top of the gate on a application that would use this controller.

The ams-1000 comes standard with a 60 psi sensor. Most of the domestics are under this target and so far most of the imports are as well.

Here are some options Id like your feedback on.

Cost will be kept down by using a internal map sensor BUT there will be a delay as the line will have to run all the way out to your wastegate. We probably are not talking much but Im all about the quickest response and thats why we went with an external sensor on the ams-1000 which could mount in the gate itself.

If I went with the external like the ams-1000 I could put a switch in it that was pre programmed for our 60 psi sensors and a gm 3 bar . So if you had a gm 3 bar sensor laying around you could use it but you would limit yourself to 30 psi max on the gate. Obviously an external sensor option would drive the cost up if we used the 60 psi sensor or the gm but the gm sensor wouldnt be as bad.

I can keep the unit really small (smaller than a ams-1000) by using a internal map sensor that would allow a max of 40 psi to be applied to the gate.

the box would be larger than a ams-1000 if you wanted something that would allow about 80 psi applied.

Next......wires out of unit or terminal block?

If we did an external map sensor it could not use a terminal block.

thanks,
seb

 

most STREET cars are probably going to see 15-20psi at the top of the gate, honda's in general (cars like mine) will probably see 40-45, however anybody running that much boost in a honda really should have an ams-1000.

however the dsm and awd guys could probably benefit from the 60psi sensor as they really only need 2 stages of boost even on the big HP cars.


i prefer the terminal strip, if the wires do come out of the unit it would need a plug on it not too far from the unit. and with the plug it starts to make mounting it require drilling holes and stuff.


i can only imagine how many phone calls we would all get if it used a gm 3 bar for people trying to use the 3 bar to monitor manifold pressure and wastegate pressure lol

i think for this particular application a 40psi internal map would be the best bet.


i have a car on the dyno right now with a ams-1000 on it that i use on the dyno......i could play around with vaccume line lengths from the map sensor to the gate to see if it makes a difference.


FWIW this car (daily driver) only took 10psi to the top of the gate to make 15lbs of boost, 40 lbs would make more than enough boost for a car like this!!

 

thats why Im asking first LOL!!!

I agree the 3 bar map sensor is asking for phone calls and thats why we supply a 60 psi sensor with the ams-1000 even though it can use a 3 bar map sensor by selecting sensor configuration

 

ryan if you would have bought an ams-1000 like you were going to before you bought that other thing i could have helped you out with it at the track!


thats the cool part about the nlr controllers. you tell it how much pressure u want at the top of the wastegate. you dont have 45 different things you have to set to get a damn boost level lol

 

does it take more than 40 psi on the gate to make 35 psi on your engine

 

My ams-1000 applies about 30psi on top of the gates to make 35psi of gauge-boost pressure or 31psi at a MAP sensor (dual tial 44mm gates with 1bar springs with a gt4088r). I have 70-75kpa of absolute atmospheric pressure on a given day here due to the altitude.

 

you tell the controller how much boost you want AT THE TOP OF THE WASTEGATE, not manifold pressure. i wouldn't be surprised if you only need 25psi on top of the gate to make 35psi.


again the map sensor will never see manifold pressure (intake manifold) so you have to think about the map sensor a little differently than your standard type of boost controller.

 

if your only making 35lbs of boost at the manifold, and your not using c02, it would be impossible to apply 40 lbs to the top of the gate!

 

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Can't wait

 

Do u have to use 2 sensors with this boost controller?

I currently run AEM 5 bar map sensor.

 

I'd be down for something with a 60 PSI sensor.

As turbo-charged mentioned, I don't necessarily need 4-stages of boost control in my car, you can get 700 WHP to dead hook in second gear on 17" radials. This sounds perfect!

 

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in a FWD honda?!? I could see maybe with a powerglide in a 3000lb chevy lol.....

 

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GTR, yo! Hence the comment about AWD cars

 

we went a with a 40 psi sensor internal sensor . I should have units in 1-1.5 months. Awesome part is we dont need to do beta testing as its basically our ams-1000 with a bunch of features pulled out of it If you need to apply more than 40 psi to your gate to reach the boost level your after you need to go with the ams-1000 and its external sensor array where you can use a gm 3 bar, 60 psi or 100 psi sensor.

The ams-1000 can be programmed for 1-7 stages its your choice!

The new unit will be known as the AMS-500 and will offer 2 stages on top of your base spring pressure


Modified by NLR at 4:46 AM 9/28/2007

 

awesome i think the 40 psi internal sensor was the right choice.


my car is 1:1 @ 40 lbs. 40 lbs on top of the gate is 40 lbs of boost. like i said before and just like you said above, if you need more than that get the ams-1000!

let me know when you get your hands on the new units!


BTW you didnt waste any time at all on this!

 

We still looking at $300-350 target retail price on this?

 

That's awesome, definitely let us know when you have some available! I'll pick up a few

 

Always planned on doing one just never had the time. Not like I have the time but you just gotta get it handled

Tony,
yes thats my target. If I added a external sensor it would have driven the cost up alot.

 

That's great, i can't wait for a $350 electronic boost controller that actually works worth a damn!

 

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The ams-1000 can be programmed for 1-7 stages its your choice!

The new unit will be known as the AMS-500 and will offer 2 stages on top of your base spring pressure


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Oh that is awesome to hear, basically 3 stages really counting off your spring I see these selling alot

 

what size hose ID do you guys generally use. I think Im going to use a bulkhead fitting that has a 1/8 npt female port in it so if you needed a certain size hose you could supply whatever fitting you wanted.

Or I could use a nipple straight out of th eunti but I need to know what size ID hose you guys use?