im very excited last few years to see the honda gain some respect(lol) but seriously

but how do we compare to similar builds from another car manufacturers.

im sure honda is not the only one advancing in the game...

are there charts or anything showing all the cars in the class i only see honda charts posted here

 

as i was checking out stock car 1/4 mile times

it seems like honda is comfortable in 15-17 second stock cars

while alot of other manufacturers(especially german) are creeping into 11 second stock cars
and alot of 13 second cars

check this out

http://myquartermile.com/

 

The odds of Honda producing an 11 second car from the factory aren't very high. They make their money from grocery getters, not sports cars.

 

Stock vs stock, Hondas aren't fast. In the drag world though, you really don't see many other brands going fast. Hondas pretty much rule fwd import drag racing

 

make vs. make
model vs. model
cost vs. cost


Honda is probably one of the worst. (fan boys, i don't need your flame)


i mean, once you add a turbo, upgraded internals, slicks, etc.. you still won't touch a v8 with the same modifications --- if done to the correct chassis.

 

I spend some time over on other messages boards and have friends with RWD cars. Over here in the south, we do a bunch of 1/8th mile racing. I have seen Camaros, Mustangs, and other makes/cars show up at the track all the time, either driven or trailered that have nearly the same amount of $$$ tied up in them and they will drag the nice Hondas.

V8 guys are all over the Chevy 5.3L engines. You can toss one into anything, get them from the junk yard all day for $500 and less, and they hold some nice power. For $5000 in the V8 world you can have a car that you can drive to the track, run mid to low 6's, and then drive it home on pump gas with your kids in the back seat.

 

Ok
V8 aside.

What i meant is 4 /6cylinder engines

 

I really do not pay any attention to any other make/model of FWD car other than Honda. I had a 1992 Nissan Sentra SE-R for awhile and those cars are fun and can be made decently fast, but I still do not really see them out. As far as I know, Hondas rule the roost when it comes to FWD 4 cylinder fun.

 

i dont race to stack up with other makes and models either. I build my car to race among my peers and their same platforms. If other makes started running 3's, i wouldn't care so long as the similar cars to me werent LOL

 

im just saying its easy to get your head up in the sky thinking youre fast in your own little world...

 

i think most of us only compare ourselves to other fwd 4 cylinders, although i do enjoy demolishing the occasional v8 that doesnt realize what they are up against

 

yes theres more than one manufacturer that makes 4 or 6 cylinder motors.

how do we compare to them. (obviously not stock)

 

I think the biggest thing that make hondas as popular as they are in drag racing right now is the the fact that their trans as weak as they are, are still stronger that any other for FWD. Most engines can make power but leave you at the line when it comes to putting the power down.

 

watch import vs domestics....thats the story right there

 

If you spend enough time in the Drag Racing forum here on HT. You'll come to notice that there are a lot of members that don't even drive Hondas posting in here. Reason why is the Honda community pushes fwd drag racing further n further. Always accomplishing new limits and records. I have alot of friends who come on here because they like the tech and product research that goes on here and how dedicated we are to drag racing.

When it comes to 4cyl fwd's, IMO nothing is as easy to make fast as a honda.

 

wish there were more ecotec's

 

i just hate when everyone always compares honda 4 bangers to V8

but then again its kindof a compliment in some way.

still not a fair comparison.like some people comparing NSX to mercedes and saying that it will smoke the NSX... without much proof.

not even same class.
ive been following the charts and youtube videos not obsessively tho. and was at one of the local drag events. where hondas did well even surprised some hardcore american muscle fanboys.

theres also toyotas and subarus and nissans that not doing too bad either. what would i search for. keywords i mean.
is there certain class i should search for?

 

Honda is definitely on top of the fwd 4cylinder drag racing world. No doubt about it. There really is no comparision. I dont even race or drive a honda other than my wifes MDX. I come on this forum because its where everything great in fwd drag racing takes place.

Dont take things wrong though, there are other makes out there that are running pretty quick and can keep up and be competitive with a majority of the hondas but the quantity is nowhere near the Honda community. Just like the several all motor Sentras out there, one that was the first to finally hit 10's and others close behind and probably this year should be well into the 10's with the new big boy parts coming out.

Just like the couple VW guys Tim Mullen and Todd Pavics. The SRT4 guys and gals out there running, and a couple other here and theres. But yes the field is always well outnumbered by Hondas.

What I dont get about the Honda community is why do most of you seem to enjoy just the classes being Honda and Honda only. I think for most of you, you would rather see it just hondas out there being competitive and thats not a good in my opinion. I miss the late 90's and early 00's when things were pretty even between almost every make out there until the Hondas really got the full on aftermarket support and popularity rose out of control one sided.

Yes the Hondas made it easy because you did have a stronger transmission than most other makes especially the SE-R with the glass 5 speed. Thats what kept more people from staying competitive with the Hondas. In the late 90's early 00's there were a couple 9 and 10 second SE-R's out there in competitions tearing it up but they were having to replace transmissions every couple passes.

Things have changed a bit especially for us SE-R guys with the 6 speed trans which soo far has shown to be awesome. Youll see more and more out there though both in all motor and turbo scene. This year I plan to put my SE-R in some of the Texas and closeby IFO events for the first time. Hopefully be fairly competitive in the class if I can dial the car into the mid 9's. We shall see.

But dont count other makes out though. I think you will always lead the game and have us far outnumbered but that doesnt mean we arnt there.

 

this is a valid statement. thats why i come here for the knowledge. i have a sunfire that i plan to push into the low tens this year and this is my go to spot for learning as, not too many have went that fast on the cavalier/sunfire forums. i would also say a huge part in it would also be aftermarket support hondas have a huge aftermarket support the ecotec platform has a decent but still limited support

 

This.

The v8 door slammer cars stand no chance against the Puerto Rican tin can rocket ships. Hahahah

 

hondas have nothing on the 4cyl game, maybe the FWD game, but their are several 7 sec DSM's, even a few 6sec DSMs

 

Well its not like theres alot of rwd hondas.
Besides s2k there really not that many

 

Yeah, i think this thread is mainly fwd cars not awd and rwd. Honda even in the RWD form is nowhere near the fastest 4 cylinder imports. Not yet anyways. Maybe as more get out there.

 

The aftermarket support and ingenuity for Honda applications by far outweigh other 4cyl-6cyl vehicle manufacturers.

That, combined with engines full of F1 technology, designed with decades of racing heritage, then thrown into chassis' with an average weight of 1800-2600lbs (from stripped to stock weight) is a winning combination no matter what manufacturer it originates from.

The "scene" and support has had it's ups and downs over the years since the Bergenholtz brothers were breaking 9's in 99, but the technology has gone leaps and bounds. Companies have come and gone, newer companies, parts providers electronics/tuning and fabrication have thrived for Honda applications in the past 10 years.

You will not find another manufacturer with with the vastness of aftermarket and customization combinations from all-motor to turbo, from circuit racing to drag racing than Honda/Acura.

Nissan, Toyota and Mazda are all very close behind and have similar aftermarket availability, but the sheer numbers and spectrum of usage from these manufacturers is much less in comparison.

Like stated before, in a drag racing application, Honda walks away in comparison with:

-Aftermarket support
-Parts availability
-Technology
-Cost effectiveness
-Performance (overall)
-Chassis structure/weight

and last, but not least...

Racing events and community support

Honda owners/racers are the MOST passionate people I have ever met.

 

That's not exactly true to me in particular. I like it when Hondas race other cars as well, such as mazdaspeeds or srt4's. Hondas are my number one preference for fun and sporty cars, but there are a huge number of other cars that I have respect for. It sucks when people are such fanboys, that they bag on anything that not Honda.

Off subject, but sort of has to do with the aftermarkets... A couple months ago I was wandering to random forums out of boredom/curiousity, and it seems like a surprising amount of people use civic dual core radiators on their DD dsm's and evo's! I don't know if a lot of people already knew that, but it was surprising news to me pretty cool stuff