Index racing is heads up racing...i dont understand why everyone thinks any different!!!
Do you not understand index racing???

 

i didnt read this entire thread, nor do i give 2 ***** about it.

but fwiw. if the people bitching would get the ****kk to the track and learn a damn thing about the car they built & drive.
then they might realize they have not a thing to bitch about, other than the fact that they dont know their own car.
the only advantage anyone has over the next guy is how much money they want/ have to waste. .


k bye <3

 

I dont get why everyone is flipping out "someone will always be faster than you!!!" etc, No ****. There just needs to be some kind of a Entry level class similar to how power street was for average street cars to run in thats all. 62mm Max,DOT tire, Full interior etc. Yea people are gonna get fast in a class like that but it will never turn into an overly expensive 9 second class.

I think the index classes are pretty cool too wasn't a fan of the idea when i first heard about it but seemed to work out well at the last NSCRA race.

 

well i dont have no complants, I just wanna race and Put up a number. if i got a engine in my car and money in my pockets ill be racing

 

No one shows up to watch really. I was at MIR last year for NSCRA events as a spectator and the turnouts in the stands were pathetic.

I guess I will just run true street and not qualify cause I personally have no interest in running a bracket or index class with no qualifying tree structure and get bumped by a stock v6 accord with an auto tranny in the first round. I would never drive 6+ hours and spend $1000 to do that when I can do the same thing at my local track every Saturday.

For what it's worth I wish there was a more entry level all motor class too other than AMS at IFO

 

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This can all be solved by simply telling us how much is to much money to "keep up".

Must be a dollar value on that somewhere.

 

holy ****!! I cant believe this thread! I am a prime example of a privateer racer, Do I have the money or parts that T1 or Miller have? hell no but I have won more races that them, I have NEVER been the fastest but I have more win lights. Learn how to drive your ****ing bomb and then see what you got. Until you have 50-60 laps and logs don't complain about or who is faster or has more money because it KNOWLEDGE you are missing.

 

AllMotorB18C hit that **** right on the head. After reading his post, I had to look at what I see at my local track. Which is majority Domestics. I dont see those guys running 11 second cars in the heads up class, or hoping for some ridiculous class with rules that will allow an 11 second car to win. Those guys are running index, or bracket racing. Heads up racing is for FAST cars!!!! If you cant build a fast car, dont expect to win or compete in a heads up race. Seriously. I dont see anyone wanting a class built around 19 second heads up racing. Nobody wants to see slow cars run heads up. Or having a "big" "middle" and "lower" class. Like "fast" "eh" and "wtf?" classes?

If you cant take the heat, get the f*ck out the kitchen.

 

If that is the way it is going to be that is fine, but I remember full classes in turbo 6, turbo 4 and power street back in the day with sometimes over 30 cars trying to qualify. Also, remember there are 2-3 more classes per event now then there were then. (NDRA- pro RWD, modified, hotrod, Pro street tire, pro all motor, turbo 6, turbo 4, power street. NSCRA- Pro, modified, all motor, outlaw, true street, motor street, 11.5 index, 10.5 index). Using my example both series had/have 8 classes, then classes were full, now they are empty so what happened? Not to mention the SFWD class that people want that have SFWD cars and NSCRA had hot rod last year.

If people are so against budget racing then I don't want to hear "get to the track and support events" or "this sport is dying and no one new is coming in" because in the end the racers have been making the sport die since NDRA folded by keeping new racers away. On top of that all the "big name" guys saying entry level classes are stupid, how bout you guys don't bitch that no one shows up at events anymore? You say you don't care about pay outs or who wins and you do it for love, but if there is no one to support the series all your cars will end up just like the Hot Rod and Pro RWD cars from about 5 years ago, collecting dust.

 

Blah blah blah... get to the track and stfu

 

Show up and race T/S see how you do, rulebooks and race classes are almost exclusively molded around the people that show up. Last year I started to make a push for SFWD style class in addition to True Street. The DP guys, Fisher, Medina ran in our outlaw fwd class in SFWD trim at the world cup. They didn't bitch, the didn't stay home because we didn't have a perfect class suited for them, they showed up and raced. Their effort was a large reason for adding the class.

Show up at whatever event is local to you and have a discussion with the racing body on what changes you would like to see, or tweaks in the rules etc. One on one conversation at the track between a racer and the event staff goes a ton farther then all the complaining on here. Building a repor goes a long way.

 

Had to bump this quote! End of story!

 

Entry level AM class is no different then an entry level turbo class. Lets see. You want to limit stock trans? - People have gone 10.4s on stock trans.
You want to limit it to stock stroke? People go 10.50s on 99 cranks
You want to limit stock sleeve ? People have gone 10.70-80s on stock sleeve.

So you want a mid 11sec - 12sec all motor class thats good for daily drivers, basically. That's what 11.50 and bracket classes are for.

True street was also suppose to be an "entry level" class.

That is the exact point Tim was trying to get across.

All of these current racers came up through the ranks of running brackets or bringing knives to gun fights. They learned what it took to race competitively before making the jump.

 

Like I said I will be racing true street.

 

Good post, people dont want to put in the time. They dont see the amount of testing and **** that goes on behind the scenes of many of these programs.

btw, the all motor guys/gals are jsut as bad but you all contain the crying to bbm and whatsapp.




Wow, def didnt expect this from you Cort. I am tired of hearing how much money I have and all this bullshit. I am not rich, I dont have family money and no major corporate sponsors. My team and eveyone on it works hard for what they have. We put in the time, eating off the dollar menu and spending days upon days on the dyno or at the track to figure out the next step in any one of our programs.

 

I think this pretty much sums it all up...

 

DOLLAR MENU.. MMMMM

 

Haha at bbm & whatsapp crying.

Marc P

 

Very nice...Just read this entire thread and it made my head hurt. No comment.

Pittsburghs SC night is kinda a joke. 2 classes turbo or all motor. haha and it cant be a v8.

 

yes i'm about to get lunch myself...

 

IMO get out there, start racing, and eventually things will fall into place, as time goes by, you will go faster and be competitive, if ur a racer then race, discussing what the rules should be and changing your setup everytime you see what someone else is doing here on HT is not going to get you faster, going down the track and figuring your car out will.

 

This thread is growing like a page a day....lock this POS

 

wow people need to f**kn sack up instead of bitching about how to level the playing field get your *** out there and race! i've been doing this for 12 years now and been all over the united state's getting my *** handed to me! my goal one day was to win a wally. now never going to happen. unfortunatley we invested money into all the wrong people to run our motor program and got ripped off. ive won many local events and my first national win was at etown 7 or so years ago! i havent won a national event sinse then. but it doesnt stop me from racing or supporting this sport. i brought on kubo to race for our team to bring some history back into our sport. that history was fu**ing cool no one whinned or complained as a matter of fact everyone helped everyone. (WELL MOST) thats what this sport is missing people who traveled for the love of racing and it was alot like family. unfortuneatly most of that family is gone and everyone just want to e race. and bitch about the rules or leveling the play field we used to travel to the east coast to get our asses handed to us just because we loved our sport now its all about im not going to the race beacause i cant win. wtf? i know the economy is bad but guys wake up and support your sport and quit crying about it. cause if you havent noticed we control our destiny. where is the nhra, nopi, battle, idrc. some barely hanging in there other gone for good. now there's people such as myself, will, john brown NSCRA , ogs javier , clint ifo. who are carrying the torch. what happens when these people get tired of hearing it?

 

I know you work your *** off bro, no disrespect at all. Im just saying that you have more experience and time into your car and thats where the numbers come from. You have went thou hell with that car from the BIG stuff/MSD/racepak combo to Motec and the to AEM, those three setups alone costs a lot of money and time. Along with gearsets, turbos engines etc.... I know if i started hurting gearsets I would have to quit racing for 10 months. lol

At the end of the day you are one hardcore MF and the progression shows it. If everyone had the same work ethics you do instead of bitching about how fast you are, they would progress also.