sc does not have any type of a grassroots drag class. maybe its time to add one. how about this.. a heads up class,(since thats what every one prefers, and is also what made our sport great!) that limits cars to 10.00 sec.

think about it, all the all motor cars that every one has stored in the back of their shops, and the old school hot rod cars that can't qualify cuz the classes have gotten too fast!

lets also add street cars that run 10's, (have to pass tech of course) but no restrictions. no minimun weights, or maximum engine displacement. engine blocks and heads can be after market.

all motor, turbo, n2o, super...fwd, awd, rwd, all welcomed. lexan windows, or glass, radials or slicks, any type of fuel. Only 3 rules..

No throttle stops
No delay boxes of any type
and if run faster than 10.00 disqualification

Would It Work?

heck, ndra has a v8 class, let v8's try and qualify, it would make a bigger purse.

This could bring out the small time racer again, like it started, with their families and friends to watch and support and help fill stands, and enjoy some great racing.

It would be nice to have the pro cars race infront of big crowds again.

 

id just be happy to have something to run in seems all heads up classes are to fast and to much money for someone like me and other then that everything else around here is brackets and man do i hate brackets

 

You just listed the NHRA Quick16 class believe it or not.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Victor Vaughn &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You just listed the NHRA Quick16 class believe it or not.</TD></TR></TABLE>

What he is talking about is no where near quick 16. Quick 16 is not heads up. You start with a handicap. Plus you can break out and go faster then your dial in. It also does not have a ET limit like he stated above. You can run as fast as a car as you want...not a flat 10.00 dial in class.

 

Q16 doesn't have a dial and you only 'break out' if you run .5s under your next quickest pass.

 

you people are pissing in the wind, by thinking creating a "new" class for old, outdated cars.....

people grow up and grow out of racing, GET OVER IT !

 

q16 isn't full at most races and you want to add another class that those cars could go into?

Sorry, not happening. The only realistic ideas i've heard for class ideas was a index system similar to comp eliminator (too complex for most people and won't be heads up) or a baby sfwd class with a smaller turbo.

 

A SFWD class, T3 based turbo with a 8 inch tire

 

what he is talking about is a index system. no matter what kind of car you drive you can't run faster than 10.00

 

I hear where this guy is coming from but having a class added to cater to specific cars is going to be very hard to acheive when so many of the current classes are not even close to being full.

I think what is at hand is the sactioning bodies really need to look into some serious rule/regulation revisions to get a higher turn out in the "current" classes with weak participation.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SLR ef9 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what he is talking about is a index system. no matter what kind of car you drive you can't run faster than 10.00 </TD></TR></TABLE>

Read what I said again, index similar to comp eliminator. There are no break outs in comp eliminator.

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">NHRA Competition Eliminator Racing

The NHRA Competition Eliminator category features the the most sohpisticated race vehicles in any one of 88 different classes. Due to the number of classes, the numerous implementations of each of them and the index control system, Competition Eliminator (commonly known simply as "Comp") is sometimes reffered to as "Complicated Eliminator". As you will soon see, successful Comp racers are incredibly dedicated to refining their cars and driving skills, usually over several years. It not only takes a considerable amount of time and money but a neverending pursute of perfection to be at the top of this class. Let me do my best at introducing you to this fascinating category of race cars and their drivers.

First, all 88 classes have an index (see attached chart). I won't go into detail as to how these indeces are determined but basically they correspond to how vehicles in that class have performed over time. If a car in a class begins to perform significantly better than previous cars in that class the index is reduced. Comp indeces are being constantly updated keeping the competition equivalent. All Comp cars are evaluated by how well they perform relative to their index. In qualifying the car that runs the fastest relative to its index is the top qualifier. When qualifying is completed the top 32 cars are laddered for eliminations. Well prepared vehicles generally have ET's (Elasped Times) that are about 0.50 seconds less than their index. This is refered to as being "50 under". If a car runs 0.40 seconds less than the index it has gone "40 under" and so on. In eliminations the difference in the two cars' indeces is determined and the Christmas tree gives the slower car that much of a head start. In Comp, unlike other Sporstman categories that run on the bracket racing system, the first car to the finish line that has not red-lighted or crossed the centerline wins regardless of how fast it has gone. This leads to highly modified and expensive race cars relative to the bracket classes. A race between any two Comp cars that run "50 under" their index will be won by the racer with the best reaction time.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

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What he is talking about is no where near quick 16. Quick 16 is not heads up. You start with a handicap. Plus you can break out and go faster then your dial in. It also does not have a ET limit like he stated above. You can run as fast as a car as you want...not a flat 10.00 dial in class.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Believe me I know the class very well what I stated is he listed the Quick16 meaning thats the only class those cars will be able to run in because I'm sure no sanctioning body will take a step backwards instead of moving with the times.

 

to davef.. no one grows out of racing, they just run out of money if the class gets too fast.

a few years ago the idrc all motor class had alot of vw bugs in it, they didn't just get built, they were older guys that now had a ssanction to run heads up.

i am not asking for a class to cater to cars, im asking for a class that any car can run in and is heads up.

I keep seeing dialed times on the q16 class cars, i don't think q16 is heads up. please correct me if i am wrong

 

So, what happens when one of the Cobalts decide to turn the boost down and run 10.00-10.08 every single pass -- i can hear the complaining already

there are barely enough cars to fill the classes as they are -- why bother trying to make new classes -- you are fighting a losing battle here

 

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I keep seeing dialed times on the q16 class cars, i don't think q16 is heads up. please correct me if i am wrong</TD></TR></TABLE>

it is heads up. but there is a handicap for slower cars. i belive there is also a rule on how "far" you can break out.

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Brian is very good at that already ! (letting off around the 1000) i was watchin him @ atco.

 

people complain even when they are winning, theres no stopping that, If they can run that consistent without a throttl stop then thats the goal.

 

If you want to see this class, get more than 16 cars running 10.0 or quicker in quick 16. Then they might have a reason to make it as the demand has been proven and quick cars are getting sent home. Until then there is no reason and I don't see what there is you don't understand about that.

 

my point is not seen here . in the old days we would have 20+ cars qualifying in all motor alone, plus hot rod and etc,.. where have these cars gone? probably sitting in the garage or back of the shop like mine is, collecting dust.

these are the people that helped propel this sport and we ran them out with expensive record setting cars.

we need a class to bring them back, and also new blood. q16 is not doing that.

the stands are empty now, i am watching the sport i love die, and now i am trying to figure out a way to bring people back.

its time to see GOOD races not broken records.

if we limit the class to 10.00 them we help limit the amount of money needed to race a whole season.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DaveF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you people are pissing in the wind, by thinking creating a "new" class for old, outdated cars.....

people grow up and grow out of racing, GET OVER IT ! </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

please tell me what cars are out there that can come back and run 10.0s? what sponsors are you going to get with an outdated chassis? most people with major sponsors have newer chassis...

hot rod
lisa kubo was running mid 8s

lance holung was running mid 8s

all motor

erick aguilar ran 9.99 and has a shop, still building motors, and now dynoing...may be back one day

all those bugs....they were running low 10s and could have easily ran 9s..jack sachette is now in a crx

the guy with the karminghia was running low 10s

durst old crx ran 9.98...bubba has that car now

cotoress gee...he was running mid 10s

...otis evans ran low 10s

jesus padilla ran 9.8s and nhra want let him build a tube chassis rx8...and the current rules leave him uncompetitive

signal auto had a nsx motor in a EK hatch...no place in nhra for an all motor fwd v6

i dont know where all these cars are at....but if they want to race they can still come out. you never know whats going to happen.