<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gr8fab &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what if an NA car is lifting the front-end right off the start and putting much flex on the wheelie bar ... what would you rota92 suggest to keep??

...26x8.5 fronts
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I'd say you should try more rebound damping in the front. How much of the perceived "lift" is body / suspension movement and how much is it due to the tires changing shape (going from sitting flat to round)?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rota92 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Or call Ed at progress Another guy on here did that today and he is going to be much faster once his stuff is on the car </TD></TR></TABLE>

f*ck yes!! the guys at Progress KNOW THEIR ****. i run their custom coilovers on my civic... that doesnt run. when it did run i loved the setup.

all these nutso torsion bar setups are crazy, reminds me of the old quote "any suspension works, if you dont let it". ive been going over these designs and i believe all its doing is making up for poor valving/springs, and binding up the susp eliminating travel... not the best thing to do, but in fwd drag racing it is effective (although definitely not safe)... However some anti-squat ala oldskool caddys could work wonders combined with the right susp.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by redboost10 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

there was a guy on here that incorporated a ladder bar system into his fwd civic. </TD></TR></TABLE>

my traction bars are a bit different than most.


dont have any better pics, but i have amazing MS paint skillz

like the standard bars


but adjustable like a ladder system



rod ends are adjustable length to remove binding when changing angle


not sure if this is the style you're thinking

 

theres another guy with a ladder bar system, looks very effective for a fwd compared to the ladder bars you see on a rwd.

 

can you tell me what a ladder bar does in an A-Arm application?

these are not solid axles, so you cant change the instant center (thats what the ladder bar does in a rwd application)

 

i think thats what we are all after... incorporating a ladder bar or torsion bar setup into a fwd.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by redboost10 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i think thats what we are all after... incorporating a ladder bar or torsion bar setup into a fwd.</TD></TR></TABLE>

why? what are you trying to accomplish?

 

lol, yeah, you can't get anything out of a ladder bar or 4 link type setup with a-arms. Ladder bars and 4 links work off the force applied when the axle housing rotates. You can put as many heims and bars as you want on an a arm but it's not going to do anything unless you find away to apply a force and use that force to do something.

 

so you say being able to change the angle of the traction bars will do nothing?

 

With your setup, nothing but possibly put the suspension in a bind in my opinion. If you changed the angle of the entire control arm then yes, there may be something there. You haven't done that, you've only changed the angle of 1 of the 3 pickup points of the lower control arm.

 

i know how ladder/torsion bar setups work. the pictures i saw did not have a-arms from what i can see in the pictures...i even pmed and asked...thats all i know and thats all i am saying. ive searched and searched for those pictures but cant find them. maybe a waste of time, maybe not


edit: obviously this is with respect to a pro class car, not a street. but nevermind, ideas, ideas, not worth it to discuss, right?



Modified by redboost10 at 9:19 PM 10/27/2008

 

Any idea is worth discussing. I just don't see any way to imply a force from any type of ladder bar without a solid axle.

It wasn't Rado's car you're thinking of, was it? His car has a 4 link and a solid axle.

 

maybe that is tony, i really cant remember, it had to been about two years ago.

yeah, just discussing how a fwd can get better traction, thats all. not trying to start an arguement or get specifically questioned, because i dont know.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rota92 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">::flamesuit on::

I can't see how an off the shelf kit will be the best for all of these individual setups that are out there. Plus I think anything over an 850lb spring is too much, the rest should be done with the proper valving. </TD></TR></TABLE>

i agree with the shelf kit ryan, but ed was going to suggest 850's with my setup, i told him i dont have an issue with 1000's and he said use them then even better.

i guess with the weight of my car. it aint no spring (he hee excuse the pun) chicken.

my car is night and day different now.

ed and progress