<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MidShipCivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

It doesnt have more btu when its at its airfuel ratio.</TD></TR></TABLE> ???? OK you have my attention, Explain.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FMUNK &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> ???? OK you have my attention, Explain.</TD></TR></TABLE>

It's what I read http://www.smokemup.com/tech/fuels.php .

 

Meth will make more power and aren't we in this game to make more power?
If your going to go thru the trouble of running eth might as well use meth and make more power...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Enzo-Racing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Meth will make more power and aren't we in this game to make more power?
If your going to go thru the trouble of running eth might as well use meth and make more power...</TD></TR></TABLE>Kind of most pro racers thoughts

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by earl &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think you can make more power with Methanol as you have to push a lot more of it thru the engine than Ethanol. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Your thoughts are correct sir!!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MidShipCivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I know this.

It doesnt have more btu when its at its airfuel ratio.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Correct!!
Due to the differences of a/f ratios at stoich. Meth at 6.4 and eth at 9.1
you will get more btu's using meth since you'll be using more(roughly 30%),
but not only this since the cooling properties of meth is greater you will also get more fuel in the cylinder due to extra cooling.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Enzo-Racing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Correct!!
Due to the differences of a/f ratios at stoich. Meth at 6.4 and eth at 9.1
you will get more btu's using meth since you'll be using more(roughly 30%),
but not only this since the cooling properties of meth is greater you will also get more fuel in the cylinder due to extra cooling.
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Those are the LAMBDA #'s correct. Now in everyday AFR those #'s would be what?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbo Ric &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Those are the LAMBDA #'s correct. Now in everyday AFR those #'s would be what?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Those are AFR's.

 

i see alot of mis conseptions in this thread. ive had methanol in my fuel system for over a year without flushing it and there is 0 corrosion. the stuff we use these days is alot better than what was used in the past. and as far as ethanol being cheaper, i pay $110 for a 55 gallon drum of methanol. so about the only price difference will be the extra oil you will use with methanol.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by therealpoorboy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i see alot of mis conseptions in this thread. ive had methanol in my fuel system for over a year without flushing it and there is 0 corrosion. the stuff we use these days is alot better than what was used in the past. and as far as ethanol being cheaper, i pay $110 for a 55 gallon drum of methanol. so about the only price difference will be the extra oil you will use with methanol.</TD></TR></TABLE>


I need more comments like this. What fuel tank did you use?


How often did you change your oil, does methanol gas past the rings that easy, to contaminate the oil?


Modified by MidShipCivic at 11:22 PM 1/22/2006

 

Any advantages to using this in an all motor set up?


Steve

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by therealpoorboy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> i pay $110 for a 55 gallon drum of methanol.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Dam you got it pretty cheap. I just paid $130 for 55 gallons.

Either way I don't see how it would be cheaper to run eth either...
It doesn't make sense to me...

 

Any advantages to using this in an all motor set up?

i would like to knoe also

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MidShipCivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


I need more comments like this. What fuel tank did you use?


How often did you change your oil, does methanol gas past the rings that easy, to contaminate the oil?


Modified by MidShipCivic at 11:22 PM 1/22/2006</TD></TR></TABLE>

any fuel will contaminate your lube... thats why you change oil every so often... alky based fuels will dilute your oil quicker than gas therefore racers like to change it often but there are alot more reasons to that question that i will leave to the expert chemists in here...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GHOSTWORKS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">any fuel will contaminate your lube... thats why you change oil every so often... alky based fuels will dilute your oil quicker than gas therefore racers like to change it often but there are alot more reasons to that question that i will leave to the expert chemists in here...</TD></TR></TABLE>

I know that from lab result by sending my oil in, but how bad is it with methanol?

 

Here in Sweden E85 is cheaper than gas.. I was considering E85 for my boosted b series but my tuner warned me that it is realy hard to tune and detonetion sounds alot different on E85 than on gas.. that is why i chose gas in the end.. I made 524 hp on an engine dyno on pump gas. B16, 84.5mm, sc61, 30psi before the turbine wheel jumpt of the turbo axle. I am waiting on a gt35r and we will see how it goes...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MidShipCivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


I need more comments like this. What fuel tank did you use?


How often did you change your oil, does methanol gas past the rings that easy, to contaminate the oil?


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we just have an off the shelf rci tank with no anodizing.

and it depends on the motor, but generally id change the oil every 3-4 passes. but we were just using 5-30 regular quaker state. royal purple makes some that wont let the water contaminate the oil. and we used sunoco methanol which we found to have ALOT less water than vp.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by k-series &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Any advantages to using this in an all motor set up?


Steve</TD></TR></TABLE>
in the heat of the summer yes. in cool weather no. and this will also very from motor to motor.

 

Hey guys, I just priced E98 from VP, in stock but they want $6.00 a gallon and thats WD!!!

Jeromie, are you coming up this way anytime soon??? If so bring me a few drums!!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by paul vang &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">is e98 legal for sportsmen classes? forget e98, is e85 even legal for for those classes yet? I know e85 is not the highest octane fuel, but if it's legal, then e98 should be as well right?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Unfortunately, no (well, I only can speark for NHRA). The rulebook says pump or racing gasoline only. If it was allowed, I'd give e85 a shot in a heartbeat!

 

Luis, how sit going? u most likely knwo my father Santos Renovales out here in california with the 69 Spinter 3tc turbo....

here is a link to locate places that sell Ethanol.

http://afdcmap.nrel.gov/locator/LocatePane.asp

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by therealpoorboy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">we just have an off the shelf rci tank with no anodizing.

and it depends on the motor, but generally id change the oil every 3-4 passes. but we were just using 5-30 regular quaker state. royal purple makes some that wont let the water contaminate the oil. and we used sunoco methanol which we found to have ALOT less water than vp.</TD></TR></TABLE>

How did you notice that Sunoco methanol absorbed less water? Just by looking at it?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Paradise Racing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey guys, I just priced E98 from VP, in stock but they want $6.00 a gallon and thats WD!!!

Jeromie, are you coming up this way anytime soon??? If so bring me a few drums!!! </TD></TR></TABLE>

Stephanie talked to them yesterday and they said they do not carry it anymore????? Actually I will be coming to AR FAB. in about 2 weeks or so, to do some work on our car. I would need to come up with some empty drums.

 

Hi Snowflake, yes I know your dad very well. How is he doing and how is the new car coming along? Tell him I said hi!!! Thanks for the link!!!

Jeromie, I think some funny stuff is going on with the pricing. You will probably see it go up in price. And if it does, is it worth it??? Its only $150.00 cheaper than C16

If you find some drums, let me know and I can wire you some money a.s.a.p.!!!

Thanks!!!
Luis

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Paradise Racing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Jeromie, I think some funny stuff is going on with the pricing. You will probably see it go up in price. And if it does, is it worth it??? Its only $150.00 cheaper than C16

If you find some drums, let me know and I can wire you some money a.s.a.p.!!!

Thanks!!!
Luis</TD></TR></TABLE> We had a price increase out here a while back, due to all the war/terrorism crap overseas. But it was like 25 cents.

I will get exact pricing that I can get it for, and let you know.

 

Cool!!! You da man!!!