<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by catchawave &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">word is there may not be a comp4 next year.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Where did you hear that?

 

yeah right. comp4 and turbo 4 is the number 1 class for sportsman

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bob menuts &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">not fair </TD></TR></TABLE>

explain...

 

Inside source code name "Deep Throat". They are still discussing the class and its current structure.

 

Well, I don't know how true that is...but if there is any truth, I would like to know soon...because if the class goes away or changes very much I will build a Pro4 car with a quickness!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by catchawave &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Inside source code name "Deep Throat". They are still discussing the class and its current structure.</TD></TR></TABLE>

eliminate comp 4 and youve got more competitors in pro-stock

the motors in comp 4 are just as advanced as pro-stock in many cases....

but it is a good class....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by K20Ahondas &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah right. comp4 and turbo 4 is the number 1 class for sportsman</TD></TR></TABLE>I feel the same way. I love the all motor cars.

 

make lbs per cc for the b-series...make lbs per cc for the k-series.

the problem is when all these motors are in different chassis that all weiht differently. so its hard to say a k-series in a crx hf should weight this or that....but a lbs per cc per motor series should work.

 

I really just wish "someone" would make a decsion one way or the other so we can get on with our cars. I would hate to finish a car that I could not race. Don't wait to the last minute!

 

I too believe that the sportsman classes need a weight min. When I wanted to run Comp 4 I knew that it would be impossible for me to compete with my EP3 because it is so heavy. Even if I were able to bring it down to 2400 lbs., like Chris did with his car, there would be no way I could hang with a car that was 500 lbs. lighter than me. That was why I bought an EK chassis to compete in. The sportsman classes need some kind of balance to make it fair for the newer generation cars to compete with the older generation.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dragracerchic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I really just wish "someone" would make a decsion one way or the other so we can get on with our cars. I would hate to finish a car that I could not race. Don't wait to the last minute!</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dragracerchic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I really just wish "someone" would make a decsion one way or the other so we can get on with our cars. I would hate to finish a car that I could not race. Don't wait to the last minute!</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thats the other chic I was talking about. She has a nice k motor setup.

 

i think at 2200lbs, most crx and earlier cars will still be competitive! i had a friend with a 96 ek, gsr swap a/c and complete interior. we took that car to the scales one day, and found out it weight 2350lbs! at 2200lbs most cars, will be light enough to compete. But look just like any other daily driven ride, that was brought to the track to race! what do you guys think of 2200lbs? do you agree or disagree with that, and why?

 

I think 2200-2300 lbs would be a nice figure to consider.

 

2200 lbs., just what i was thinking or at least somewhere between 2100 and 2300. as far as displacement goes, i say who cares! the bigger they get, the more unreliable they become. i wouldnt mind running next to someone w/ a 95x87 b series, cause when it starts to come apart ill be right there.and as far as k series go if they can afford to do it, more power to em. weight min. is an easy way to help level the field somewhat, much quicker than disp. checks and fuel tests.

 

I say leave the rules as they are just make a displacement rule. I think no stroker motors should be allowed in street class. I mean be for real here who has a stroker that runs on the street? I think that a 2.0 limit on b - k-series and 2.3 on H- series. That will help keep the class more competive.

 

i know plenty of guys who run strokers daily driven, not to say they last forever. why not allow more than 2.3 on hseries,1mm overbore puts you over that limit. cant say thats not totaly streetable on pump gas.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nonvtecallmotor &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I say leave the rules as they are just make a displacement rule. I think no stroker motors should be allowed in street class. I mean be for real here who has a stroker that runs on the street? I think that a 2.0 limit on b - k-series and 2.3 on H- series. That will help keep the class more competive.</TD></TR></TABLE>

the K24 or a sleeved H23 (2.4) are very streetable motors and pretty common.

The rules still limit the chassis that can be used. Unless you have an EG or CRX your stuck at 2250+ lbs

 

Since there is a stock 2.4L k-series you can't limit it to 2.0L only.

As far as weight goes, even 2300 to 2400 pounds is really hard for newer cars. It took me a lot of time and money to get my RSX down to 2400 and there is a very small handful willing to go to the extent that I did. The car actually started around 2900lbs without me in it so this has to be taken into account in order to attract newer cars into the classes.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Missing Gears &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i know plenty of guys who run strokers daily driven, not to say they last forever. why not allow more than 2.3 on hseries,1mm overbore puts you over that limit. cant say thats not totaly streetable on pump gas.</TD></TR></TABLE>HAHA yeah right. A daily driver with a stoker on pump gas? I find that hard to beleave. If your going to spend money on a stroke wouldnt you put in some compression?

 

never said pump gas with aftermarket stroker crank, and yes high comp. would be the way to go. what i said was h series 2.3, overbore on pump gas.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by skunked &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

the K24 or a sleeved H23 (2.4) are very streetable motors and pretty common.

The rules still limit the chassis that can be used. Unless you have an EG or CRX your stuck at 2250+ lbs </TD></TR></TABLE>So what dont allow a k-24.

If you can get a EF or EG or EK for a few $$ and throw a stock stoke motor in it and be competive. Doesnt that make sence or you could spend $15,000 on a stroker motor to comepete on the class.

I think that 10 second cars in the street allmotor class is just ridiculous.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Missing Gears &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">never said pump gas with aftermarket stroker crank, and yes high comp. would be the way to go. what i said was h series 2.3, overbore on pump gas.</TD></TR></TABLE>What next? I mean people are building Pro Stock motors and putting them in a so called street car.

Weight isnt going to stop people from going fast. I mean look at Gordan Mack and Fred Hyland and some of the others with Integra's that weighted around 2500# and where ahead of the fealds.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nonvtecallmotor &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What next? I mean people are building Pro Stock motors and putting them in a so called street car.

Weight isnt going to stop people from going fast. I mean look at Gordan Mack and Fred Hyland and some of the others with Integra's that weighted around 2500# and where ahead of the fealds.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Gordon's 11.7 was very impressive (it weighed allot less 2500 lbs though). My buddy runs 11.5's in his street teg however it's not comp4 legal. That car weighs 2100lbs w/driver but he has to run dummy doors and a fiberglass hatch w/lexan to get down close to the weight of the CRX's and EG's.

 

only people complaining are the ones not going fast enough to compete with the top dogs. Some things will never change.