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I've always thought that sport compact racing was hurting itself by trying to be powerade overnight. It started with grassroots, and that still has alot of evolution left.
Corporate dollars are there looking for more corporate dollars (sales). IMO, if the race isn't bringing you there, than you aren't a benefit to the sport.
Seeing cars other than Honda in SFWD would be cool, but I don't think it's the "honda guys" responsibility to leave the badge they are loyal to to make that happen. (If that's what was being implied)

 

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Your from MD you should know as I do that’s usually Jason Hunt (ie same guy winning) for most people, but I am not going to whine, just try and catch him. Used to hang out back in the day with him in GB and he always nodes when we are at the track—but I think he still does not remember my name-hehe. If you build a car for a class why should you step up to a class you did not build your car for. Your athlete analogy has someone cheating, if someones-cheating thats wrong, but if the rule books says what you are doing is fine then everyone has to deal with that and they could have done it as well. I am sure we can agree everyone does work their butts off, but the simple fact is the worlds not fair some people work at shops and have lifts and nice tools available some people are working in the dirt with hand tools. And some people have to make sacrifices to race and some make 100k a year doing nothing at work but playing pass the buck.-nothing is fair or level—level is heres the rules, build it to spec if your not fast enough figure out a way to get faster, not lets penalize the fast guys for bringing innovation and thought into the sport. And Maryland usually see’s the same people winning most races and we have some of the highest turn outs for most events. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I understand what you are saying.... i was just saying steroids in general(if the wasn't illegal)

 

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This is so true. People see the million hp dyno graphs and the 'spyshots' of cages being built that get posted up all the time, and they think all they need to do is buy certain parts, make over 700hp, and viola! go make a 9 second pass. Practice driving? Why practice driving when you have a ton of hp? lol...

I don't think there will be any kind of 'regression' in the sport just because the big corporations won't be throwing money around like they have been. Their presence will still be known, most of the cars will still be around, and the fans will be there to watch.

As far as the sportsman classes go, I think we'll have another spurt of innovation maybe mid season. When Hunt ran his first nine, it lit a fuse on everyone's *** to go out and chase down that number, thus, T4 blew up HUGE this year. Now it's to the point where there are so many fast cars, I think it's really weeding out the people who want to complain from the people who want to race; and I think that's a good thing. I think there will be alot more T4 cars popping up for next year that have learned from watching this year; that's going to happen in all the sportsman classes, records will be set, and some people will keep racing, and some people will go home with a box of Tampax.

 

Most of your points are valid ones. But it does not change the fact that the industry need to mature and survive. Its all about regulation to keep things in reach or site, at least for now. Yes the og's of the class will always be fast due to experience. But at the same time they are learning new tricks and trades along with spending more to go faster.

Its either you let them continue and blow out the class until others get tired and give up or you regulate it more to keep the car counts up. It is unfortunate that the fasterst guys will feel penalized but it would still be better to see 35 cars trying out for the class of 10 sec cars, instead of what was 20-25 cars now down to 8-15. Later the rules can be changed if needed. NHRA pro stock car have great rules and eventually it come down to driver skill and crew more than anything else. Its stupid to see how BIAS some of you all are. I bet if Brian and James were in a GM product then you would slap the t4/sfw class with the same hatred as you do HR now. Not hating honda but the fact remain that brian of any of the now 9 sec guys had built a gm car out of their current finances (no factory). Chances are they could or would be faster than they are now. Then how would you feel about that. Experience and greater power= low 9's to most other still 10's (sounds like Marty 2 years ago.)

 

**** 2 yrs ago people were laughing at marty when he came out running 12's in the sunfire. Now look how time and experience(and money) changes things.

 

Lots good ideas\thoughts in this thread. I will disagree that t4/sfwd in unobtainable for 99.9% of the people out there. 2 of the top 3 SFWD cars are for sale right now for under $20,000. Might sound like alot of cash, but start building one and you will very quickly pass that amount.

 

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I agree that T4/SFWD is still an obtainable class. These days I think it's less about money and more about knowledge. (Don't get me wrong, you've gotta pay to play, but it's nothing obscene.) I think the street tire class will be the next class to blow up like T4 did this year because it is currently a slower class (won't stay that way for long the way Jim's going!) but it's not quite in it's prime and I belive that if racers will focus more on driving and less about being dyno queens, we'll see some insane drag radial times next year.

I don't think there need to be as many restrictions from the series as some of you have implied; though they may be neccessary by the end of this next season, I feel that it's a bit premature to start now. We're just now learning limits in the sportsman classes, and I feel that as long as safety is kept in the highest regards, then this year should be phenomenal in terms of records. For our sport to grow, we need to push limits and test barriers. (like I said before, saftey in mind.) We need these leaps and bounds to encourage people to race and lure people in to spectate. If we want to race, we need to draw people in to watch; otherwise, it's all a big pissing contest between one another.

 

at the beginning of the year i put my car together as a daily driver. which lead to a lot of things being rushed mid year...and now a lot of redoing things. if you think you might want to run a class....prepare for it ahead of time. its frustrating have to redo things, and pay for things twice. hopefully it will all work out for next year

 

Honestly I think SFWD and Street Stock/Comp4/Street Stock(BOTI) are your best bets if you just starting out or finding your car isn't competitive in other classes.

There's too much of a difference between BOTI's Street Performance and the other series pretty much leaving these cars running brackets, Quick 16 or staying home. There alot of people with swap cars that are WELL under 2350lbs, we'll see how many show up for the NHRA finals.

I think its time for all these series if they aren't going to work together, to be at least on the same page if that rules package makes sense.

Any All Motor Street Class should have a min weight and I think 2300-2350lbs is perfect. Alot of compacts can race at that weight and be competitive. If you want to run a stripped out car, go the extra mile and run it in ALL Motor Pro. Yeah so what if Skunk2 runs 9's...

Mohler ran 10 flats and managed to win an event...

I like the direction that SFWD is going overall. So both of the Car Doctor cars are for sale? Interesting...

Maybe they might build a GM car, you never know. I know Jason was in the middle of winning a title in NDRA, but he could have just ran his Coupe, made laps and prolly still would have won the title.

Now that the bar as been set in NHRA Street Stock I know where to aim and my orginal plan might not have worked but I'll be more than ready when the first event comes around which is usually Battle.

I hope Im not the only one at SEMA this year that wants to have a very frank disscusion with -

NHRA
NDRA
IDRC
or BOTI

If you want change your voice needs to be heard, but I'm glad this is the most active compact drag racing forum on the net.

I hope they are reading this...

 

Regulations and bringing back the classes to grassroot levels are what will make this sport progress.

Who cares if the top fastest guys are restricted to go slower. They're already at the top anyways. Focus on the new batch of racers that want to get to the top. Thats whats going to bring in more racers into the scene. Meet their needs so they can compete and feel the classes are still attainable.

Its not punishing the fast guys on being fast, its just keeping the competition tighter.

I wouldnt mind turbo limits to be lowered to 67s. If the scene gets any slower, maybe bringing it down to T3 might not be a bad idea. haha.

Yes we all like to get faster and better our times, but if the cars are so fast, its scaring alot of racers away. Don't be too selfish. Look at the future of the sport and not just time slips.

 

well to be honest ! Gm started it's seige on the sport compact scene wit the 2.5 million dollar budget they gave to the teams for their season!. mopar, mazda and toyota also stepped in shortly after!. honda did not really want to get too involved wit drag racing there for only supporting a select few! stephan papadakis, adam sawrutari. even a few oil companies stepped in castrol, quaker state. The most interesting thing is how you see that honda had some invilvement in top fuel and toyota. all they were missing was beer companies!. so many honda owners have taken their cars as far as they can without major backing. well as for domination a good example would be greg anderson in nhra pro stock!. I beleive it's all dedication and hard work, but you also see that the prostock catagories has many sponsors and a level playing field. My opinion on different classes is that you need to have knowledge, dedication and cash!. spfwd, 700+hp to be real competitive. prostock 350+hp consistency & knowledge. hot rod 1000+hp to be competitive and you gotta be consistent!. Pro fwd 1250+hp, not many cars and if you are consistent you have a good chance to make some cash. pro mod 1475+ consistency and not many cars! pro rwd 1680+ consistency and excellence in suspension setup! also on another note be able to run in the high 6.60's and low 6.70's when you are at the top of your game!. LOL . I'm building a car for sfwd and yes it costs a bundle. It might take me a year to aquire all the parts but i'm not going to let that discourage me from getting out there and racing! I'm that crazy guy you would see who would enter my sfwd car in the hot rod class if there weren't enough hot rod cars, therefore increasing my chances to take home some cash! I've seen miracles happen, a couple of years back in palmdale at lacr, i seen eric del rosario with the gold hotrod integra win his class, because of luck and consistency. he was up against lisa kubo, bruce wit the venom car, jojo callos and some other fast cars in the quick 16 class. for some odd reason every car that lined up against him either red lit or broke he went all the way to the finals and won , talk about a cinderella story! In 2003 we had probaly the only fwd dsm , competing in the hot rod class the car was yellow/ wit evospeed up the side of the car! we had no sponsors and our car was probaly 200lbs heavier than the competition and under powered we were running low 11's early in qualifying and our last pass we went 10.59@137mph and made the show by the skin of our teeth!. slowest qualifyer went had to go up against the ecotec team, and that's where luck struck. the pontiac cavalier broke a axle and hit the wall and we went on to goto round 2. well to say the least it didn't look good we had the arospeed car in the 2nd round and yeah our luck ran out we broke an axle and the arospeed went 8.59 @ 172 or something like that so we didn't stand a chance but we had to try!. I had fun competing against the big guys!.

 

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And WHO and HOW are to "meet their need" what does that mean? NHRA/NOPI cannot do anthing special for a slower racer as an individual to make them faster, drive better, or upgrade more. That would be bias.

The rest of what you said is great and my point exactly. If you limit the turbo size. I is not just affecting the fast guys it doing so to every one. Also a weight limit in t4. These rules will atleast keep the fast guys "almost" steady while the slower guys catch up on the same or similar setup, parts driving skills what ever. Not all cars are created equal in weight and I understand that racers could have chosen lighter cars to build. But not ever one wwant to race a heavy eclipse or a lite CRX. Make rules to equalize the field.

 

I agree with you Turbo Ric. What I mean with meet the needs is, to make the GOAL Attainable. Im not saying restrict the class to 10sec. But with many setups using turbos thar are in the $1500-2000 range, that just deters the racers that are still on their $800 turbos that maybe stuck in the 10s with it. While its maybe possible to go 9s with a 67, its just easier to do it with a 71 or even GT42R.

I dont mean for the "slower racer" to be treated special. All I'm trying to say that the class be feasible to race in and be competitive and attract 16-32 cars at every race.
We can ignore it and not change anything, and let whatever happens happens. Or we can do something about it and actively promote the class to attract more racers. I really dont care that the class is a field of 10s-11 sec cars. While I commend the 9 sec guys in their accomplishment, the faster the class gets, the less interested the majority of the potential SFWD racers become.
Just ask an average racer who might want to get in the class. The class has to attract racers, not deter them.

 

i will admit when my car was running 10.7's i was just as determined to go to every race i could make it to. that was wtih only 430whp too. when it was going 10.7's...it would do it each and every single pass.....so the consistance was still able to get me through a few rounds. it was frustrating loosing to either brian or matt what seemed like every weekend...but hey, those guys were in my shoes at one point in time im sure. it pushed me to make the car go faster. and with out changing any parts on the car....i think i put an intake manfiold on the car actually....more seat time and a few psi of boost i was able to knock 7 tenths off my ET.

also...look at the amount of breakage on the fast cars. sometimes running a half a second slower, but being able to keep the car running all weekend can do wonders too.

i always joke around and say my car is my 2nd full time job.....all joking aside, there is SOO much time that goes into something like this, especially when your doing all the labor yourself. my car has NEVER been on a lift in the 4 years ive owned it. all labor has been done on the ground on jackstands. i had to replace the clutch in it last year on the road in front of my house....in the dark......and i live on a road with pretty heavy trafic. not the safest thing, but i always seem to do what i need to do no matter what it takes to keep this car going.

 

OK, now you guys have to realize that I am on the same side as you, so don't take what I am about to say the wrong way.

How is GM limiting their involvement going to help anything??? How is Mopar pulling out going to help our sport grow???

These are questions that you have to really analyze and answer carefully! Here is why I think that it is a very, VERY bad thing that they are leaving.

#1. When companies pull out of something, there are two reasons behind it. A. They find that their advertising dollar can be put to better use in an alternative arena. This makes our sport suffer. If I were in charge of a multi-million dollar companies advertising budget, I would be leery about dumping money into a sport that others are withdrawing from! B. They over-exceeded their expected budgets, which lets me know that this sport is NOT cheap and is extremely competitive! Either way, the withdraw of funds in our sport hurts everyone involved, including the sportsman racers. Where do you think revenue for hosting events comes from? We all know it is not ticket sales!! It's advertising dollars from companies like GM, Mopar, etc. So when you take those dollars away, how to do compensate for the lack of funds? CUT CUT CUT the fat. This means less payouts for ALL classes and less persuasion from the larger companies to make the sport mainstream. Now, if you are one of those people who are content being in a sport that may or may not have the resources to put on a good show, and think that people want to come watch only sportsman drivers, then more power to you. I agree that the sportsman classes bring in a decent crowd, but regardless of what you think, there will ALWAYS be someone in a class with more $, with more resources and with more drive and dedication than you to get the job done, and this is regardless of if there are big corporate dollars in the pro classes or not!

2. Since when is this sport about remaining the same? This sport was built on creativity, a strong urge to do things differently, technology, all of these things are NOT cheap. Hot rod WAS a drivers class, but has since turned into a Pro category. This means that there will be Pro teams involved. If your budget does not allow you to compete in that class, then there are other classes of competition, but remember, there are dedicated and driven people there too. How many people have mid 9 sec. Sport FWD cars? ONly a hand full, right? Then what is the difference between that and the HotRod class? It called COMPETITION!!! If it were cheap and as easy as falling off a log, then there would be no excitement. The world is an unfair place. People have more money than others, people have more experience than others, people have more heart than others. That goes for ANY form on competition, even ballet and speed basket weaving!!!

My point is this, removal of money hurts anything! If you complain about your budget, then just imagine if you only had half of it. This sport needs as much money as it can get. If that means weeding out some racers and making the spectators, then that is the way it is. Some of you might get mad about that, but it's the honest truth. Can most of us go out and produce a competitive Top Fuel car? Hell no, and that is just tough for us. Instead we are here in Sport Compact. If we cannot play in the Pro categories, then we move to a sportsman class. If that is still too much, then go to a street stock class, AND if that is too much, then I hope you have the $20 to come out and watch the show, because we need as many people putting money in as we can get, not matter where it comes from!!


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**edit** with all that being said, I am for the sportman drivers. I try to help them out as much as I can. I don't want to sound like I have a " tough $hit " attitude, I think we can all be competitive, but we all can't be #1. That just doesn't work.

 

Some really good points getting made here, I think a weight limit would at least encourage other FWD cars into the fold. In SPFWD the CRX can be made so light is discourages most other cars, same thing used to happen in T4, which discouraged the DSM guys. Now the felling is Power Street will be the class for the DSM’s because no slicks means the featherweight Hondas won’t be there—not saying there no fast radial Hondas but that’s the feeling in the DSM world, and several 9 sec DSM’s and many 10 Sec are gearing up to run in that class.

The biggest problem I see is people have this attitude if they can’t be number one qualifier its not worth it. Which means ultimately in their heart they don’t love to race but love the attention. If perhaps payouts went a lil father or there where at least trophies making it second round or?, with NOPI being primarily east coast it will hopefully encourage more people to try and follow the series. My main thing is set the rule book and leave it, its these amendments and changes that are what make people made. Limiting turbo size is not always the answer either, because then people look other places to make the power like a better head, or play with compression, then you have people who could barley afford to build there motor out classed because they can’t afford some head or a new motor set-up. As long as there has been racing money has been an issue, innovation and skill can help overcome these things, but there’s no magic solution.

 

i agree with several others that there is a HUGE difference between being a champion, and being competitive. And there should NEVER be limits on a car being "too old". If it's built safely, let it run!!

as a race fan, i LOVE seeing the old vs the new. the old rotaries vs the new vtec / variable timing cars. The old carb vs the new fuel injected. Every time I see something pre-1992, I root for it, even if it's a friend in the other lane!! Those cars need a lot of TLC to keep in good running condition.

Second of all, I agree that it's bad to see so many sponsors pulling out. Where are the Arospeeds / GUDE / meguiars / valvoline / castrol / etc? The ones that helped build some of the record-breaking cars in our sport in the last 3-5 years, but are nowhere to be found on cars on the circuit now? It's great that we have newcomers like Matco tools and red bull stepping up to sponsor racers... but how long will they be around for?

the best thing that we can do is continue to race our cars, and continue to bring our friends / families / anybody that we find on the street to the track to either race beside us, or watch and support us.

 

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I am in this category

 

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Second of all, I agree that it's bad to see so many sponsors pulling out. Where are the Arospeeds / GUDE / meguiars / valvoline / castrol / etc? The ones that helped build some of the record-breaking cars in our sport in the last 3-5 years, but are nowhere to be found on cars on the circuit now? It's great that we have newcomers like Matco tools and red bull stepping up to sponsor racers... but how long will they be around for?
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i think racers will have to be innovative and look for non-automotive sponsors. signal auto, hks, so many have fell off over the 5 years i've been around. But so many drivers/teams have built cars that have never seen a track. how can companies continue to fund racers and all we have are race show cars that are in some wherehouse collecting dust-the hyundai tiburon and the 02 civic si just to name a few that have never gone down a track.

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i couldn't agree more with this statement. thats why i tell all my friends and family to come out and support me which in turns supports the industry.

 

Classis Age Limits in the Pro Classes is something that is needed.

Car companies want to SELL product, you can't do that if somebody is winning a class with a 15 year old car, even is if its from the same company. That's just the dynamics of motorspots.

Name ONE professional racing series that runs cars more than a few years old?

SCCA even at the club level has chassis age limits in all Showroom Stock and Touring Classes where OEM's WANT TO SELL CARS.

Sport Compact isn't special enough to say NO to something like this.

I'll meet you half way and say Classis Limits for Pro at 10 years and maybe 15 year limit for everything else. Honda is about to come out with a new CRX and they don't need to complicate that with somebody running car last built in the mid 90's.

Even if you started a limit now at 15 years, the CRX could still be used for another 2 years, so I don't see a problem with that and EG Civics another 3-4 years.

The sole reason Dodge and GM are pulling back or pulling out all together is lack of support. Same with Ford and Hyundai.

Here's a perfect example -

The people that bought the SRT-4 are mostly out for personal glory and that's fine, but that doesn't make the sport grow. The car they have is 3,000lbs and capable of at least 500hp on the stock block, yet they have to race a car at least 500-600lbs lighter with about the same amount of power.

Just doesn't seem fair does it?

Isn't that why most Honda owners stick with earlier cars? Making just about impossible for Honda to sell new cars to you because for the most part you say they are too heavy?

Its not because the new cars lack aftermarket support. In fact if you look, only the smaller companies are continuing to build parts for older cars and most of the larger companies are making parts for newer cars.

Vince -

You couldn't have said it any better... (USC-7 ND 0)

Some type of limit has to be made in the sportsman classes tho..

Turbo size might not slow them down, but FUEL would. You can only generate so much on say 100 octane unleaded and even less on 91 octane.

Series need to be regional to cut down on travel and lodging cost. The 2nd biggest cost in racing compared to building and maintaning the car is finding a place to stay on the road, truck and trailer cost.

This is where Compact racing needs to be a family a bit more and share in the in the travel cost. In F1 they have a travel budget for ALL the teams and make sure everybody shows up, same in ALMS.

Great Dissusion here, let's keep it going....

 

This was pulled from the NOPI finals. All of you who say no rules restrictions should be made. Think about when These dsm start running 8.8x's or better. Remember shep was in those time zone in the Pro Street Tire class. Shep had a weight limit of 2400, These guys have the same setup or better. But no weight limit.

1 Mike Reichen Eagle Talon 9.331 151.83
2 Eric Jones Mitsubishi Evo VIII 9.411 149.13
3 Brian Ballard Honda Civic 9.600 158.17
4 Mat Keller Acura Integra 9.735 148.59
5 Bill Lowe Eagle Talon 9.740 151.36
6 John Ferguson Honda Civic 9.851 148.58
7 Allan Friedman Mitsubishi Evo VIII 10.014 141.39
8 Unknown Unknown 10.035 146.75
9 Corey Parrish Honda Civic 10.256 149.45
10 Curt Brown Mitsubishi Evolution VIII 10.355 143.92
11 Joe Gilk Mitsubishi Conquest 10.401 130.42
12 Unknown Unknown 10.473 132.74
13 Rob Pachner Dodge 10.914 121.88
14 David Knight Eagle Talon 11.067 133.33
15 Adam Hahn Pontiac Sunfire 11.440 124.53
16 Unknown Unknown 11.783 120.06
17 Evan Cline Eagle Talon 11.805 126.53
18 Unknown Unknown 12.085 118.67
19 Travis Vaughn Honda CRX 13.145 79.86
20 Tracy Hyche Acura Integra 14.192 65.79

 

I said the same thing in the NDRA thread...

How does Hucks go from being the class leader to the class nobody in a weekend?

He runs a 10.87 last time out in NDRA and then all the EVO's and DSM's come in and knock another 5-6 tenths off the lowest time in the class with even slower trap speed.

John Fergusion goes from being a class leader to being about 5 tenths off in about weekend as well.

That's not to say a FWD will never win this classes again, but I don't see how FWD drivers find 4-6 tenths in a little more than 5 months.

Something hardcore is going to have to be done...

I have no idea what really.

You need a weight limit to allow other cars to be competitive. You need to find something to slow down the DSM cars with about 10 cars in the country capable of at least low 10 second ET's.

Maybe a spec fuel is the answer...

 

Like the fwd Hondas don’t already dominate SPFWD and T4. Crying about weight limits on a DSM is a joke, Sheps car weights damn near 3000#, and a fully prepared DSM with no glass fiberglass everything is lucky to see 2500# with driver. Most DSM weigh well over 3000#. So if something is imposed it should be fair like a 2800# limit—since it is a street class. There’s a reason why DSM are flocking to PS because they don’t have to battle the featherweight Hondas, that only hook well on slicks. The whole DSM reliability is because we weigh so much we have to make more HP to chase down the Hondas that usually have like 400-500 pounds less hence all our drive train issues.

 

When Jason Hunt was running 9.5 and dominating the class no one was complaining. Brian Ballard and Mat Keller are dominating the class this year and no one is complaining, but instead was complimenting them on their fast time and wins. Now a few DSM and EVOs enter the classes and some people are crying about rules restriction for them even though they have won an event and are not dominating the races.

I think if Brian, Mat or John had run those times you Honda guys won’t be complaining at all. I guess it’s OK to get beat by another Honda, but not by a DSM or EVO.