NOPIDRAGS

Still working on the class names guys, suggestions are appreciated.


1.10> PRO GT/PRO MOD
• SPONSOR DECALS: All racers must have series and or class sponsor decals as required by NDRA. Competitors can utilize a competing sponsor product/logo
• CLASS: The class designation (P/) must be on the both sides and the front window in 3-inch tall letters.
• NUMBERS: Numbers on both sides and rear windows must be 6 inches tall. The front windshield number may be 3 inches tall.
• BODY: Import or domestic compact FWD or AWD entries only. Car or truck body style must be retained in door slammer variety. No tape can be used to join/cover body seams. Stock general profile/shape must remain. Lightweight components (non-stock fiberglass or other composite) limited to hood, doors, decklid/hatch, but one-piece front ends allowed on all backhalf cars. All ¾ chassis and FWD tube chassis cars allowed aftermarket body work, as long as it is made of carbon material or stronger. All FWD tube chassis and ¾ chassis cars must be approved for competition before they are allowed to compete in 2006. Stock headlights must remain or be painted / decaled on. 1/8 inch thick Lexan/Plexiglas windows allowed. Front and rear windshield must be within 3 degrees of stock.
• INTERIOR: Doors must open/close from inside and outside of vehicle.
• ENGINE: Engine diapers or catch pans mandatory on all cars. Engine must be commercially available, produced in runs of 500 or more. 4-cylinder engine must be of automotive origin. FWD and AWD only. Stock driveline configuration must remain. Transverse mounted engines must remain transversely mounted, etc. Engine must be offered as OEM in compact cars/trucks/SUV as sold in North America in 2005 model year or earlier only. Engine can be equipped with a turbocharger, a nitrous oxide system or with a supercharger, or any combination there of, for a total of two power adders. Displacement limited to 2.7 liters maximum. No air-cooled or rotary entries. Engine (block) must be of same make as vehicle competing (Hondas can use Acura motors). Approved after market cast blocks, and stepped deck block allowed. No billet blocks.
• CYLINDER HEADS: No billet cylinder heads allowed. Heads must be commercially available, produced in runs of 500 or more. Any internal modifications allowed.
• INDUCTION SYSTEMS: Any type of intake/fuel delivery allowed, including carbs, mechanical/electronic fuel injection, custom plenums, multiple injector entry points, etc.
• NITROUS OXIDE: Bottles must be stamped 1800-psi minimum. Bottles must be mounted directly to the body, utilizing steel brackets and all mounting points. Electrical bottle heaters allowed. NOTE: NO EXTERNAL FLAME HEATING ALLOWED. Blow down tube is required if bottle is inside passenger compartment.
• EXHAUST SYSTEM: NDRA does not require mufflers for racing; however some tracks have a noise ordinance, which requires a muffler for Saturday racing.
• TRANSMISSION: Stock or Aftermarket gearboxes allowed, but no air shifted transmissions. Automatic and sequential transmissions allowed with weight penalty. Weight penalty will be 100lbs for aftermarket H pattern, 200lbs for automatic.
• CLUTCH/FLYWHEEL AND FLYWHEEL SHIELD: Slipper style clutches allowed with H-Pattern transmissions. After market clutch and flywheel shield required if car runs 11.99 or quicker. SFI approved aftermarket bell housings allowed on all transmissions, recommended on cars 8.50 and faster. See section 4:13 AND 4.16 for more details.
• WEIGHTS / TURBO LIMITS: FWD: 0.80 lbs per CC of displacement (minimum of 1700 lbs. with stock case H-Pattern transmissions), with up to two power adders
Example: 1.5L = 1200 lbs. (1700 lb. min.)
1.8L = 1440 lbs. (1700 lb. min.)
2.0L = 1600 lbs. (1700 lb. min.)
2.2L = 1760 lbs. (1700 lb. min.)
2.7L = 2160 lbs.
AWD: .80 lbs. per cc. (minimum of 1900 lb), with up to two power adders.
Add 300 lbs. for ecotec engines.

Stock style transmission cars:
Maximum Turbo size = 80 mm, single turbo only. Max size is defined by inducer wheel size measurements. Maximum compressor inducer diameter is 81.20 mm. This is measured at the point where the leading edge of the compressor wheel meets the housing. Inducer diameter can be no larger than this. No stepped inducer wheels allowed. The contour from inducer to exducer must be continuous with no steps.

Aftermarket transmission cars:
Maximum Turbo size = 78 mm, single turbo only. Max size is defined by inducer wheel size measurements. Maximum compressor inducer diameter is 79.15 mm. This is measured at the point where the leading edge of the compressor wheel meets the housing. Inducer diameter can be no larger than this. No stepped inducer wheels allowed. The contour from inducer to exducer must be continuous with no steps.

Ecotec Powered cars:
Maximum Turbo size = 70 mm, single turbo only. Max size is defined by inducer wheel size measurements. Maximum compressor inducer diameter is 71.80 mm. This is measured at the point where the leading edge of the compressor wheel meets the housing. Inducer diameter can be no larger than this. No stepped inducer wheels allowed. The contour from inducer to exducer must be continuous with no steps

• CHASSIS & CERTIFICATION: FWD Full tube chassis allowed with stock case H pattern transmissions. A ¾ tube chassis is allowed with aftermarket case H pattern transmissions. All Cars that use an automatic transmission must retain all stock flooring from back of front seats forward. Stock flooring can be removed behind front seats, in hatch area or trunk, but sheet metal must take its place in accordance with NHRA /IHRA specs. No center-drive systems. Engine cradle must remain, but can be tubular. No transverse conversions allowed. AWD cars allowed strengthened k-members but must be approved by NDRA tech officials prior to car competing.
Wheelie bars allowed. : NOTE: CARS RUNNING AN ET OF (9.99 NHRA) OR (9.50 IHRA) or 135 MPH AND QUICKER MUST HAVE A CHASSIS CERTIFICATION TAG. AND MUST BE CURRENT (NO EXCEPTIONS!)
• SUSPENSION: Must use one shock per wheel. Coil-over shocks allowed. Wheelie bars allowed but wheels cannot be pre-loaded or touch the ground at the starting line. No cockpit adjustable, trigger switch activated or remote wheelie bar systems allowed. Stock functional shock towers must remain in both front and rear of car.
• WHEELBASE: Maximum wheelbase is 105 inches. Wheelbase must remain with in +/- 2-inch total side to side of stock.
• IGNITION SYSTEM: Aftermarket crank triggers, two-step rev limiters, ignition amplifiers, spark Computers and dynamically adjustable engine management systems are allowed.
• COMPUTERS/ELECTRONICS: See General Regulation Section 4.31.
• LIGHTS: Headlights must be stock or be painted on to resemble stock headlights. Vehicle must have one red taillight and must be in working order.
• BRAKES / TRACTION CONTROL: Cars must have four-wheel brakes in good working order. Traction control prohibited. NOTE: TRACTION CONTROL IS DEFINED BY NDRA AS A COMPUTER CONTROLLED SECONDARY BRAKING DEVICE THAT CONTROLS WHEEL SPEED.
• COOLING SYSTEM: 1-pint minimum catch can is required. Electric fans/water pumps allowed. Catch cans, must NOT be mounted in front of tires or with overflow line pointed at tires.
• WHEELS/STUDS: See General Regulations Section 4.35.
• TIRES: Slicks OK. No limit on tire width at this time. NOTE: ABSOLUTELY NO MINI SPARE TIRES OR NON-SPEED RATED TIRES MAY BE USED. Cars running 11.99 must have metal valve stems, or tubes / liners.
• FUEL: NDRA approved racing fuels only. Fuels must meet all requirements of Section 4.32.
• DRIVERS LICENSE: State, or Federal, or International drivers license mandatory.
• COMPETITION LICENSE: NOTE: A VALID COMPETITION LICENSE MANDATORY FOR CARS RUNNING 9.99 AND QUICKER AT A NHRA TRACK AND 9;50 AND QUICKER AT A IHRA TRACK (NO EXCEPTIONS!)
• DRIVERS SAFETY EQUIPMENT: Any vehicle equipped with a roll cage or roll bar must be equipped with a padded head protector to be placed behind the driver's head mounted in such a way so as to help minimize the risk of whiplash. The cage or roll bar must also be fitted with padding in any area where it may come in contact with the driver's helmet. Padding with ¼ inch compression or padding meeting SFI Spec 45.1 padding or better shall be used. No other forms of padding will be accepted.
• HELMETS: Drivers of cars 13.99 or quicker must use a helmet that is Snell 95, 2000 SFI 31.1, 31.2, 41.1 or 41.2 spec. Any helmet that is modified in any way other than paint jobs shall be deemed unsafe and not suited for competition. Drivers must be wearing their helmet prior to entering the burnout area. The NDRA requires the use of Full Face Helmets and strongly recommends the use of the proper visor as well. The NDRA also requires the use of a SFI 38.1 approved head and neck restraint system.
• CLOTHING: 10.00-11.99: Drivers must wear jacket and pants meeting SFI 3.2A/1. Cars running 9.99 and quicker must wear jacket and pants meeting SFI 3.2A/5, and gloves meeting 3.3/1 mandatory.
• SEAT BELTS: All cars that require a roll bar must use a 5-point SFI 16.1 driver restraint system equipped with a quick release system. Belts must be mounted to the frame or cross member or in a reinforced mounting point so that all connections are in a direct line with the direction of the pull. CARS REQUIRING A SFI 16.1 DRIVERS RESTRAINT System must HAVE THE BELTS updated 2 year FROM THE DATES STAMPED ON THE SFI BELT TAGS. No OEM type seats allowed.
• PARACHUTES: Required for all cars exceeding 150 mph. Tech inspectors may inspect parachute for damage or wear at our discretion. Parachutes must be solidly mounted to frame and release housing must be no more than 12” from parachute pack and must be mounted in such a way to ensure smooth operation without failure. NOTE: Any FWD car running in excess of 150 MPH on a run must pull the chute! If the driver doesn't pull the chute the run may be DQ'd. If you're not sure pull the chute anyway!


Modified by NDRATECH at 3:16 PM 12/8/2005


Modified by NDRATECH at 3:17 PM 12/8/2005

Arturbo

On the Aftermarket transmission cars turbo size did you mean 76mm?

NOPIDRAGS

No, I fixed it for you Art. Thanks for the heads up, I had overlooked that.

4piston

What is the weight penalty for the auto and aftermarket trannies?

I don't think the Hondas will get below 2000lbs unless someone builds a purpose built tube chassis for this class. How many do you expect to do that? One? So lets say the Hondas figure out how to get down to 8.0-8.20 on a regular basis.

What did Gary weigh last year? Now he can weigh 2000-2100 depending on the trans penalty. Hello 7.50s @ 185.

Splitting these classes and making these new rules is the largest mistake you guys could make....in my humble opinion.

NOPIDRAGS

Gary's car will weigh around 2200 pounds, just like he did last season.

One car is already done and weighs 1760 pounds with driver and H-Series motor and trans. Yes it is purpose built, but according to the owner, it was cheaper to build than the conventional Pro 4 car of years past. In fact, he and one other shop are looking to produce and sell the rolling chassis for this class. Full tube or 3/4 tube chassis.

tony1

We've heard that before. Lets not talk about "production" fwd chassis until someone steps up and does it. Any pics of the car you're talking about?

NOPIDRAGS

http://ndra.nopi.com/ndra/2k3_....html


http://ndra.nopi.com/ndra_2k4/....html

tony1

Oh, by purpose built you mean built for pro fwd a couple years ago and couldn't compete...lol

NOPIDRAGS

Could'nt compete? He beat Papadakis, Rado, and Kubo in the same year and won the Championship.

Don't say he could not compete because of the car. Say that he chose to build the car the way it was in hopes of being able to put them in production. He had no aspirations of building a Outlaw car to compete with all the FWD cars that had changed motor mounting configuration and Fortin Trannies. He was chasing a long term goal with his company not the Championship, he was just lucky and good enough to be consistant.

Tony, why would you even say something like that about someone? I thought you were better than that.

tony1

Winning some races in Pro FWD in the past few years doesn't mean you have a successfull car in my opinion. There have been plenty of events that a turbo 4 car could've won in that class. When you're running quicker than the class below you is when you're heading in the right direction. All i'm getting at is that you make it seem like this car was just built for this new class, when in reality it's been sitting because it wasn't competetive in pro fwd and was going to be turned into an all motor car. You're trying to turn this around into something it's not...

Don't even pull that I though you were better than that ****.

shearerfab

Looks good. You decided against having rwd cars in the class?

NOPIDRAGS

The car actually is being purpose built. There are a few things that they had to change to get the car back up and running for the 2006 season to compete in this class.
I will get pics from them on just the chassis as soon as they can supply pics with any changes they have made. I understand what you are saying about a true purpose built car, but he is wanting to build rolling chassis that a racer can buy inexpensive, and go race in this class, or a bracket class, or a Comp class. He just chose to build it with a Civic body instead of a Camaro or something domestic.
He is looking to be able to sell the car to anyone wanting a tube chassis car.

I had to take a jab at you while I could, it is so rare that you screw up or say something cross.

1fastvnt

This means that an AWD car can weight 1900lb with turbo an nitrous
OMG Shep will tear up this class they already have a big traction advantage
7.97 carrying 2600lb now at 1900 wowser can we say 7.50's
DSM rules!

NOPIDRAGS

Shep says there is no way a DSM can get that light, but he is working his magic on his car.

1fastvnt

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all tube chassis can be done from 2600 to 1900 if he takes that weight off there is no way a FWD will be competitive at the same weight Gary gardella has to weight 2150 and he as a FWD

4piston

Here is a picture of a 1750 lb. car and a 2300 lb car. One runs inconsistent high 8s and breaks and the other is a 7 second bracket car that WILL go faster.

How many people interested in racing in this market can drop $80,000+ all at once on a turn-key setup that is NOT prepared to be competitive? This market isn't where the domestic market is. Its a younger demographic and people DO NOT have the money to shell that cash out all at once. A majority of your racers build these over the course of a few years from the old paid off car they have in their garage.

I'm not taking jabs, but those are the facts.

NOPIDRAGS

Well Luke, the class is what it is. It is there for the guys who want to try and run 7.xx, or continue to run 7.xx.
The guy who does not have that kind of money will run in the Pro 4 class. I guess I have not explained myself very well, but Pro 4 and the Pro GT/Pro Mods classes are two seperate classes. We are not forcing anyone to run this class, it is for those who want to join the FWD 7sec. club.

I wish I had a small portion of the money that everyone thinks that the GM teams are recieving. Remember this, Bryan J. is close to 80k in his Cobalt already, not like GM has an open checkbook for all the GM racers. I am pretty sure that if these teams were completely sponsored by GM they would have the same graphics Marty's Cobalt had.

Speaking of Marty, his Sunfire will more than likely run in this class so add another car to the class.

ninesecrx

I remeber reading in the magazine that John and crew had about 100k in building there tube car the way it sat. Thats a pretty pricey deal. It would be cool if they offerd something rolling, but its still gonna be waaaaay more money they buying a $500 chassis and putting a cage in the car after u hang all the parts.

NOPIDRAGS

They may of had 100k in the original design, development, body and everything. Since he owns the Jigs, Molds and what not, he is looking at around 20-50k for a roller depending on the options and components.

shearerfab

Pro GT? Is Tony Hawk going to be competing in the class?

mononctsi

You're damned if you and you're damned if you don't.

I wouldn't want to be in your shoes NDRATECH guy!

Team SMP

i'm going to be so slow please make GM run on 24inch tires and 3500lbs Ho and maybe a T3 turbo that would help thanks

as far as the name goes I kinda like the idea of "Pro FWD" and the other class would be "Pro OutlawFWD"

"Pro Mod' is fine

P.S also if you could make John shep haul a trailer with is car while he runs that would help alot Thanks Glen you the man




Modified by Team SMP at 3:46 PM 12/8/2005

alternativechuck

you have lost your mind, you must be drunk, are you high???? Thats the same thing I was thinking maybe glen will help us slow guys

matz03

As a fan i think this class is a good idea, it lets the slower cars come out of hibernation and be competetive in p4 and doesn't punish the racers who are trying to run 7's. I still hope that kenny, joe d, jj, chuck, and others continue to try to be competetive with gm.

tony1

Frenchy, just so you know, i expect you to be in the 7's well before the half season mark.