single vs double sub set-up...
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single vs double sub set-up...
ive never had a single sub set up...
but now i only have one brand new kicker crv....can either power it with a blaupunkt 200 rms bridged on it or a fosgate punch giving it the same power (but ALOT more bass)
ive used these 2 amps on my 2 fosgate xlc's and was MORE than happy with the bass!
also had the fosgate on 2 kicker comp vr's and bass was insane!
so...im stuck with one sub and im gonna get a box made? what size fr best bass? will 200rms be enough for this one sub? can one sub set-ups sound better or as goos as a 2 sub set up?
nbtw: sub is 10 inch, double voice coil and will be faced backwards in a hatch...
but now i only have one brand new kicker crv....can either power it with a blaupunkt 200 rms bridged on it or a fosgate punch giving it the same power (but ALOT more bass)
ive used these 2 amps on my 2 fosgate xlc's and was MORE than happy with the bass!
also had the fosgate on 2 kicker comp vr's and bass was insane!
so...im stuck with one sub and im gonna get a box made? what size fr best bass? will 200rms be enough for this one sub? can one sub set-ups sound better or as goos as a 2 sub set up?
nbtw: sub is 10 inch, double voice coil and will be faced backwards in a hatch...
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Re: single vs double sub set-up... (JOMO)
An amp doesn't give a sub more bass. There are optional bass boosts, but they will only add distortion and increase the chances of it blowing.
I'd rather have a single sub setup than a dual anyday. Less $$$, less space, and less chance of something going wrong. KISS.
I'd rather have a single sub setup than a dual anyday. Less $$$, less space, and less chance of something going wrong. KISS.
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Check kickers website for size recommendations. I would go for the large ported box if you want SPL. 200 watts rms should work well. I think the power handling is around 4-500 watts. Single sub setups can sound as good as double, but there are many variables that you have to deal with to see if it will in your car. Try winisd.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by t0p_sh0tta »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">An amp doesn't give a sub more bass. </TD></TR></TABLE>sorry but i have to disagree *gulp* 
we have tested this theory many times by trying many different amps in the same car powering the same subs....
ok..so far we have tested a blaupunkt, punch, hifonics, jensen, boss, planet audio and im sure he has tried more...
all in his starlet with 2 kicker crv's 10 inch in a nice ported box...
all installs were imaculate (this guy is a OBSESSED installer) and all conclusions have been punch amps put out MUCH more bass when compared with other amps putting out the same power or more....
even a punch '40w' would give ouder bass than some of the other amps...for instance this '600w crunch' we had one time, the 40w from the punch had much more bass...
im a strict fosgate punch fan!
btw: the bass boost is set in the middle, and even when turned down the bass ius still better...
hi-fonics amps were god at bass too...so was the big boss one suprisingly... the jensen bass was ok and the crunch sucked....
im no expert but i have to go with what my ears thell me, and its that different amps give you different bass
we have tested this theory many times by trying many different amps in the same car powering the same subs....
ok..so far we have tested a blaupunkt, punch, hifonics, jensen, boss, planet audio and im sure he has tried more...
all in his starlet with 2 kicker crv's 10 inch in a nice ported box...
all installs were imaculate (this guy is a OBSESSED installer) and all conclusions have been punch amps put out MUCH more bass when compared with other amps putting out the same power or more....
even a punch '40w' would give ouder bass than some of the other amps...for instance this '600w crunch' we had one time, the 40w from the punch had much more bass...
im a strict fosgate punch fan!
btw: the bass boost is set in the middle, and even when turned down the bass ius still better...
hi-fonics amps were god at bass too...so was the big boss one suprisingly... the jensen bass was ok and the crunch sucked....
im no expert but i have to go with what my ears thell me, and its that different amps give you different bass
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Re: single vs double sub set-up... (JOMO)
Your test don't mean ****. 
We all know that you are ALWAYS under the influence 
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All an amplifier does is AMPLIFY a signal. A good amp will do this with as little distortion as possible. Your punch amps just have bass *****. If you set all of that crap to zero, they will sound just like the other amps in your tests (for the most part).
We all know that you are ALWAYS under the influence .All an amplifier does is AMPLIFY a signal. A good amp will do this with as little distortion as possible. Your punch amps just have bass *****. If you set all of that crap to zero, they will sound just like the other amps in your tests (for the most part).
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by t0p_sh0tta »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Your punch amps just have bass *****. If you set all of that crap to zero, they will sound just like the other amps in your tests (for the most part).</TD></TR></TABLE>EVEN with the bass boost **** on 0 the bass is noticably deeper...with it in the middle it outshines all amps, evemn amp putting out double power of the punches, with it turned up( and tthe bass equalised and ****) it does not distort in the least...
can't argue with the rest
but my friend is sober and its not just us...we buy and sell audio stuff and the REAL know-it alls of audio are always checking us for the old punches, the roach shell ones....
anyone who knows the classic amps im talking about KNOW that they are bass amps and will make ANY sub put out better sounding and deeper hitting bass than most if not all of the amps in its category/price range...
[/QUOTE]If you set all of that crap to zero, they will sound just like the other amps in your tests (for the most part).[/QUOTE]i take it you don't really care for punch amps, why?
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Re: single vs double sub set-up... (JOMO)
The old rockford were very underrated. I would not be surprised if that punch 40 is putting out close to 200 watts bridged. The Boss is crap, if it says 600 watts, expect 300 with lots of distortion.
In order to make your test scientific you need to measure the output of the amps. Get a voltmeter and run a sine wave at around 50. Get the measurements for the voltage on each at full undistorted volume. You will then see that more bass corresponds to more power.
In order to make your test scientific you need to measure the output of the amps. Get a voltmeter and run a sine wave at around 50. Get the measurements for the voltage on each at full undistorted volume. You will then see that more bass corresponds to more power.
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HeHe this could be a fun argument.
Vteg I hope you meant 50 Hz, I pretty sure you did you just forgot your units
I always get in trouble for this. More bass means more power as already mentioned. Audio amplifiers are primarily voltage amplifiers. But they are also current amplifiers by they way they are designed. A better quality amplifier is able to put out higher voltage and current. V*I=P. Cheap amplifiers may have a high voltage gain but have a smaller current gain. There is no standard on the amplifiers power ratings are measured. They should be measure from 20 Hz-20kHz but usually aren't.
Vteg I hope you meant 50 Hz, I pretty sure you did you just forgot your units
I always get in trouble for this. More bass means more power as already mentioned. Audio amplifiers are primarily voltage amplifiers. But they are also current amplifiers by they way they are designed. A better quality amplifier is able to put out higher voltage and current. V*I=P. Cheap amplifiers may have a high voltage gain but have a smaller current gain. There is no standard on the amplifiers power ratings are measured. They should be measure from 20 Hz-20kHz but usually aren't.
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Haha, busted I meant 50hz.
Since the amp's voltage is being put into a speaker, the amperage has to ride along with the voltage. If not you get unwanted side effects like, amp cutting off, amp smoking/fire
P=V^2/r
Given a voltage you can compute the power if you know what load it is being driven into. So for fun, lets say you plug your kicker into your home wall socket which measures 120 volts
Lets say the kicker is dual 4 ohm coil in series, don't want to blow the fuses before the fun starts.
P=120^2/8=1800 watts
I meant 50hz.Since the amp's voltage is being put into a speaker, the amperage has to ride along with the voltage. If not you get unwanted side effects like, amp cutting off, amp smoking/fire
P=V^2/r
Given a voltage you can compute the power if you know what load it is being driven into. So for fun, lets say you plug your kicker into your home wall socket which measures 120 volts
Lets say the kicker is dual 4 ohm coil in series, don't want to blow the fuses before the fun starts.P=120^2/8=1800 watts
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my head hurts..
ok, SO WHAT YOU ARE REALLY SAYING IS: im right about the punch amps making the bass louder than the other amps...but its the reason im clueless of...so the punch amp, say for example the 100 x 2 channel puts out more power than the hifonics zues...which i think is 700 watts?
the fact still remains, you can FEEL the difference EVERY time we changed an amp and put back in that 100x2 watt punch!!!
im a die hard old school punch amp fan, i just love them
ok, SO WHAT YOU ARE REALLY SAYING IS: im right about the punch amps making the bass louder than the other amps...but its the reason im clueless of...so the punch amp, say for example the 100 x 2 channel puts out more power than the hifonics zues...which i think is 700 watts?
the fact still remains, you can FEEL the difference EVERY time we changed an amp and put back in that 100x2 watt punch!!!
im a die hard old school punch amp fan, i just love them
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The old puch amplifiers were really great amps. Under rated like crazy. The only Hifonics amps I like are the old ones as well. Hifonics used to kick some serious a**. They used to be just as good as Autotek mean machines.
My guess is you are either not setting the bass controls in the nuetral setting when you are testing them. Or your ears have had a little to much bass in their life time. Describeing the exact amps you are compairing would make it easier to understand.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Given a voltage you can compute the power if you know what load it is being driven into. So for fun, lets say you plug your kicker into your home wall socket which measures 120 volts Lets say the kicker is dual 4 ohm coil in series, don't want to blow the fuses before the fun starts.
P=120^2/8=1800 watts</TD></TR></TABLE>
You would get a very loud 60 Hz bass note.
My guess is you are either not setting the bass controls in the nuetral setting when you are testing them. Or your ears have had a little to much bass in their life time. Describeing the exact amps you are compairing would make it easier to understand.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Given a voltage you can compute the power if you know what load it is being driven into. So for fun, lets say you plug your kicker into your home wall socket which measures 120 volts Lets say the kicker is dual 4 ohm coil in series, don't want to blow the fuses before the fun starts.
P=120^2/8=1800 watts</TD></TR></TABLE>
You would get a very loud 60 Hz bass note.
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You would get a very loud 60 Hz bass note.
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You would get a very loud 60 Hz bass note.
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I agree 100%, all the amp does is make the subwoofer move, it doesnt determine how deep the sub hits
I agree 100%, all the amp does is make the subwoofer move, it doesnt determine how deep the sub hits
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I agree 100%, all the amp does is make the subwoofer move, it doesnt determine how deep the sub hits</TD></TR></TABLE>
then PLEASE explain how one amp putting out 100 rms(punch) puts out GOBS more bass than an amp putting out 250rms (hifonics thor)?
i have ALWAYS noticed a difference in bass with EVERY amp i have heard, regardless of the power difference!
I agree 100%, all the amp does is make the subwoofer move, it doesnt determine how deep the sub hits</TD></TR></TABLE>
then PLEASE explain how one amp putting out 100 rms(punch) puts out GOBS more bass than an amp putting out 250rms (hifonics thor)?
i have ALWAYS noticed a difference in bass with EVERY amp i have heard, regardless of the power difference!
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There is a topic on termpro, I think, concerning the old punch amps. Some people posted their birth certificates. Many of the amps are doing 150 bridged at 4 ohms. They are very underrated.
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