I just bought a escort password 8500.
Its ok, not all that great, what are some good ones in the market and where can they be bought

 

any of the BELtronic Vector's. I had the 940, which i later found out by alot of reading and research is more sensitive than the Vector 960 and 985. It can be had at circuit city or any place like that

 

How much sensitivity difference are you getting if you by a $100 one or a $900 one? Is VG2 undetectable that important?

 

The ValentineOne is about the best you can buy. Only problem
is it's a tad pricey ($400 or so). But I've never heard of a V1 owner
complain about it...
I think you have to order those through a dealer or through their
website.
http://www.valentine1.com/

 

i bought a whistler 1780 for 1 yr and until now i never get one correct alarm
i duno wat is the use for a radar detector

 

I have bought several radar detectors over the last few years. I finally broke down, and bought a V1. I used it once on my drive home. It has been sitting in the box in my closet patiently waiting. I will give a review next month when I return from my road trip.

 

Radar detectors give you a false sense of security. With the advent of instant on radar it doesn't matter how fast the radar alerts you because you and the car do not have a fast enough response time to make a difference. You would need a radar detector in conjuction with a radar jammer to buy yourself enough time to react. By the time your done the ticket is cheaper. I guess if you get lots of tickets or your driving habits are prone to getting tickets it may be worth it.

 

I don't get too many tickets. I hate instant on. Just as long as I am not the only person on the road, I can pray for some stray waves

 

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Instant on radar only shows up as blips on radar detectors, you know the kind you eventually ignore because they are always going off. The V1 is the best radar to own. It has been written that they were designed by engineers for engineers, because of there looks and functionality.

Pray hard because when it beeps all it lets you know is your getting a ticket. They should just start making them so the radar detector just prints out your ticket, so you can go on your merry way. I intend to build myself a radar jammer one of these days. The damn microwave classes are just so damn hard!!!!

 

they DO work, if used properly. The only way they are going to work is if you allow someone to travel infront of you. Follow someone, but stay back like 1/4 a mile. This way when the instant or any other form of radar blips, there's a good chance a good detector will pick it up and the radar wasn't aiming for you. Also, radar is only affective for a few thousand feet, and because the signal has to be reflected in order to get your speed, you can pick them up before they can clock you.

 

Instant on is line of sight, which means they look through there little scope kind of like a rifle and pull the trigger,it then shuts off so there are no lingering waves. A few milli seconds is all it takes.

Think of it this way, imagine a sniper is trying to shoot you and you have a detector that says when a bullet is coming at you. Do you think you would have time to respond?

The old radar guns used to be always on so they were easy to detect. Waves work kind of like a flashlight the further you are a way from the object you are pointing at the bigger the area the light (wave) will cover. This is what radar detectors depend on in order to funtion. Radar guns have gotten so good that when your radar detector beeps it usually means the radar gun was pointed at you. I am not against detectors I just think they need to find a new approach. The old approach is showing its age.

 

but the signal is still very wide spread, and you can also pick up any deflection off any car ahead of you. again, I stand by what I said above. The beam spreads. Look at laser. They can legally only use it to something like 3000-3500 feet or something close to that because it was ruled the beam spread became too wide to tell which car was actually clocked. Laser is *ALOT* tighter than radar. so again, let someone ahead of you, you have a good chance of picking up any signal from the "shot" ahead of you at the other car, or if not the direct signal, a good chance at a deflected signal

Oh and as a side note, alot of places still use always on, such as on the cars themselves. They'll clock you while you drive. I'd rather have an indication one of them is behind me somewhere than driving and never know

 

you may wish to read this http://www.radartest.com/artic...=4096

3 feet wide at a 1000 ft for laser. I'm still looking for Ka band width but am having no luck. Most measurements are done in less than 1000 feet. And radar is smart enough now to pick out the fastest moving car one type can be seen here. Your detection also assumes the beam is pointed directly in your direction. Well it is no suprise that police also know the weakness of radar guns so they measure at an angle. This further diminishes your detection range. I am not saying they don't work but most of the time you just get enough time to know your recieving a ticket.

Just because a beam is in front of you doesn't mean squat. Some piece of the beam has to actually reach the detector. So with a lasar with a beam width of three feet about the only thing you are going to pick up is a ticket.

 

I've been nabbed by an instant on radar gun, with my detector. But the cop was
also sitting at the top of a hill, on the inside corner of a curve (still on the hill) and
behind some trees.

I can positively say that my $140 detector picks up instant-on radar when the
cop hits a car in front of me. I can also positively say that it registers as more than
a "blip". Finally, I can say that 95% of the police in my town do not use instant
on or laser and that having a detector is great when I'm on the highway or travelling
at night (that's the main advantage). So I think it's worth the $140, especially
since it's saved me 10x times.

That said, nsxxtreme is right that a radar detector is not a be-all end-all. And I'd
much rather have a V1, just don't have the $$$ for it right now.

 

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It is only preventative. You have to be smart. Some areas are begging for ambush. I normally use it on the open highway, so not as much instant on and so forth.

I hate hillbilly cops

 

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I always wonder how people know where the radar gun is pointed when their detector goes off. If you can see the waves screw the detector, I'll pay you to sit in my car!!! If you got two beaps he may have targeted you and targeted you a second time to verify your speed.


The death to detectors, if they perfect this technology it's all over.
http://www.mphindustries.com/p....html

They pretty much use only laser where I am at.




Modified by nsxxtreme at 1:51 PM 7/29/2003

 

it's helps. Just as watching for sudden, unexpected tail lights from cars ahead, and keeping your eyes open scanning around you.

 

get the beltronics 935LP or whatever it is.. the laser pro. It detects laser and jams the guns. SpeedLabs did a review and it was found to work 95% of the time, and even the newest gun could only say "Being Jammed"... couldn't clock a speed or anything. BTW&gt; Laser is governed by the FDA, which has no rules or regulations yet about jamming, etc. Radar on the other hand is by FCC and they do, a $50,000 fine.

oh and btw&gt; "If the vehicle's speed is not a violation, the operator does nothing and no one knows that he's running radar. However, if the speed is of interest, he can place the radar into normal transmit mode, allowing the officer to track and lock the vehicle's speed.

MPH recommends that the officer obtain a tracking history of a speed violator by operating the radar in normal transmit mode after determining with POP mode that the vehicle is speeding. This is because most radar case law is based on tracing a vehicle in normal radar operation. The information obtained in POP mode is accurate and reliable, but may not be supported by case law in court.

For this reason, MPH does not allow the information derived in POP mode to be locked into the unit. By not allowing the speed measured in POP mode to be locked in, the evidential nature of locked target speeds is preserved and radars with POP mode can take advantage of the existing radar case law. The POP mode signal does not provide the evidence being used to uphold the officer's visual evidence, speeds determined by traditional radar methods do."

again, this comes back to the allow a car to travel ahead of you aways at or faster than your speed. As stated, even a MPH system will need to be switched back into normal mode for him to clock the guy, which means you'll have a chance to be alerted by either a radar detector, their tail lights, etc.

 

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Yes currently this is the situatiion. This is why I stated if they perfect it then current users are screwed. They have an issue with firing this thing when it has not warmed up. Anytime a transistor device hasn't warmed up its Beta value changes until it reaches a nominal operating temperature. Beta (amplification factor) is related to temperature. I am surprised they didn't use some kind of TEC to control temperatures in this thing. I think it will only be a matter of time before they figure it out. The POP modes gives accurate speed readings, sometimes is gives false readings and this is why they say to switch to normal mode to catch a speeder. So they could POP all day and not set off a radar until they have a speeder. I can also see a police officer not switching modes and only using the POP mode to issue tickets. He is only human and the temtation is to great.

Actually state law also governs the use of laser jammers. In some states it is illegal. I intend to buy a lasar jammer one of these days. I just know that once I do I'll end up getting a ticket in one of the cars that doesn't have the jammer. I have done the following the car in front of you thing before and still got a ticket, he pulled both of us over.

 

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I always wonder how people know where the radar gun is pointed when their detector goes off. If you can see the waves screw the detector, I'll pay you to sit in my car!!! If you got two beaps he may have targeted you and targeted you a second time to verify your speed.
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They pretty much use only laser where I am at.
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There's been several cases where my detector has gone off while a car is in
front of me (or blocking my line of sight to the cop, sitting on a motorcycle with
his little hand held radar gun). I have seen the cop (after getting the warning
first) each time this has happened - hence knowing that it was instant-on and that
he wasn't aiming at me.

Also, as you said, not all cops use laser/instant-on. Beachside here in FL, the
cops almost always have radar on as they cruise down the strip. It's very helpful
on a night when you are on that side of town.