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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bpr0422 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but really.. why use such a complicated diagram.. when u can just use 2 relays, 2 1k uf caps, and 2 10k ohm resistors?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Dont take this personel but if your using relays to perform a digital task well thats just stupid. Relays are cluncky and unreliable. I'm not sure why you think that the circuit pictured is complicated. It uses 6 parts. The same number as you used. I might also add that your pulse with relays would be limited by how fast your relays could switch. It may seem fast to you but in the electronics world they are slower then slugs.
In reality this is a vary simple basic circuit.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bpr0422 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you use the relays, caps and resistors, all the tiny stuff (Caps/resistor) is covered in heat shrink to protect it... there isn't the question of a small project box to stash.... since the caps and resistors are wired inline to the wires that go straight to the relay.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Rats nest of wires resistors and caps vs a small bread board with power,ground,pulse wire, ignition sense, no contest. The bread board would be more reliable,more durable and more predictable.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bpr0422 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">not only that, but can an ic take 11-14vdc???</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well your remembering wrong. While typicaly digital circuits switch at 5v or less there is nothing stating they have to switch at that voltage. Even if the device switches at 5v most have internal regulators to limit the internal volatge. If you looked at his diagram and then the corisponding data sheet you would see this part is good up to 22Vdc
http://www.st.com/stonline/books/pdf/docs/2061.pdf
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bpr0422 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I assume that it is car related, and he wants it to control something in his car, so what is he controlling??? i have no idea......so how can i help?</TD></TR></TABLE> Imagine if the car manufacture only used relays to control simple functions. instead of a trunk it would be filled with relays. Step outside the box, 12v electronics doesn't just consist of relays.
Modified by nsxxtreme at 2:38 PM 8/28/2007
Dont take this personel but if your using relays to perform a digital task well thats just stupid. Relays are cluncky and unreliable. I'm not sure why you think that the circuit pictured is complicated. It uses 6 parts. The same number as you used. I might also add that your pulse with relays would be limited by how fast your relays could switch. It may seem fast to you but in the electronics world they are slower then slugs.
In reality this is a vary simple basic circuit.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bpr0422 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you use the relays, caps and resistors, all the tiny stuff (Caps/resistor) is covered in heat shrink to protect it... there isn't the question of a small project box to stash.... since the caps and resistors are wired inline to the wires that go straight to the relay.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Rats nest of wires resistors and caps vs a small bread board with power,ground,pulse wire, ignition sense, no contest. The bread board would be more reliable,more durable and more predictable.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bpr0422 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">not only that, but can an ic take 11-14vdc???</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well your remembering wrong. While typicaly digital circuits switch at 5v or less there is nothing stating they have to switch at that voltage. Even if the device switches at 5v most have internal regulators to limit the internal volatge. If you looked at his diagram and then the corisponding data sheet you would see this part is good up to 22Vdc
http://www.st.com/stonline/books/pdf/docs/2061.pdf
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bpr0422 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I assume that it is car related, and he wants it to control something in his car, so what is he controlling??? i have no idea......so how can i help?</TD></TR></TABLE> Imagine if the car manufacture only used relays to control simple functions. instead of a trunk it would be filled with relays. Step outside the box, 12v electronics doesn't just consist of relays.
Modified by nsxxtreme at 2:38 PM 8/28/2007
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxxtreme »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Dont take this personel but if your using relays to perform a digital task well thats just stupid. Relays are cluncky and unreliable. I'm not sure why you think that the circuit pictured is complicated. It uses 6 parts. The same number as you used. I might also add that your pulse with relays would be limited by how fast your relays could switch. It may seem fast to you but in the electronics world they are slower then slugs.
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I know relays are slow...compared to any logic gate...the first computers were built with relays....
actually, i used 3 same parts twice, not 6 different parts...
it seems complicated to a person who can't read it... if the kid is asking what all the symbols mean... does he think that the xor gate only has 3 pins??? also there are a lot more connecting points for him to connect in the logic circuit - the more connecting points, the more chance of him wiring the ignition to the pin 3 instead of pin 1, or to a gate that isn't in use, does he know he has to provide power and ground to the ic?
If you know how to wire up ICs in on a breadboard, then wiring up that diagram would be easy - but he didn't have a clue at what he was looking at. - i forgot what a xor and nand gate looked like -
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxxtreme »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Imagine if the car manufacture only used relays to control simple functions. instead of a trunk it would be filled with relays. Step outside the box, 12v electronics doesn't just consist of relays.</TD></TR></TABLE>
cars have ecu/pcm, door lock controler, abs controler, srs controller, so many different systems added into the car that are all composed of custom designed circuits, with more than just logic gates, all of them are tested or built with parts that were certified for automotive use...
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The circuit has slightly more complex wiring than just using the relays...I dunno his experience with wiring stuff up, but judging just by how he didn't answer the same question 6 times............. what is so wrong about sharing your project ideas and goals??????
Dont take this personel but if your using relays to perform a digital task well thats just stupid. Relays are cluncky and unreliable. I'm not sure why you think that the circuit pictured is complicated. It uses 6 parts. The same number as you used. I might also add that your pulse with relays would be limited by how fast your relays could switch. It may seem fast to you but in the electronics world they are slower then slugs.
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I know relays are slow...compared to any logic gate...the first computers were built with relays....
actually, i used 3 same parts twice, not 6 different parts...
it seems complicated to a person who can't read it... if the kid is asking what all the symbols mean... does he think that the xor gate only has 3 pins??? also there are a lot more connecting points for him to connect in the logic circuit - the more connecting points, the more chance of him wiring the ignition to the pin 3 instead of pin 1, or to a gate that isn't in use, does he know he has to provide power and ground to the ic?
If you know how to wire up ICs in on a breadboard, then wiring up that diagram would be easy - but he didn't have a clue at what he was looking at. - i forgot what a xor and nand gate looked like -
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxxtreme »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Imagine if the car manufacture only used relays to control simple functions. instead of a trunk it would be filled with relays. Step outside the box, 12v electronics doesn't just consist of relays.</TD></TR></TABLE>
cars have ecu/pcm, door lock controler, abs controler, srs controller, so many different systems added into the car that are all composed of custom designed circuits, with more than just logic gates, all of them are tested or built with parts that were certified for automotive use...
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The circuit has slightly more complex wiring than just using the relays...I dunno his experience with wiring stuff up, but judging just by how he didn't answer the same question 6 times............. what is so wrong about sharing your project ideas and goals??????
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by suspendedHatch »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
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What's with all the people being total fcking ******** lately?! They get frustrated that we don't answer their question, yet they wont answer our fcking questions so we can help them! Tell us what the fck you're trying to do! Give us the info we need to answer your question. Hmm... let me check my crystal ball here.
He made the question huge so you would answer it. THIS IS NOT FLAMING. All of us were thinking the exact same thing.
If I had got to this thread earlier I would have locked it.
If this **** keeps up I'm just going to walk. Let all the ******** ask each other questions. crj_lll, you're welcome to leave.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I had an answer to my question when the member in question began to yell at me because he need more info. IF he did not have enough info for the question, no one forced him to answer. It is a free country. He could have easily walked away. I specifically did not give the application because I did not want exactly what he gave me, an alternative way to do things. Giving an alternative does not answer the question. And I guess if I have a differing opinion than the group I a "fcking *******" (your words, not mine). If that is the case, than I will accept the label, but just because you think one way does not and will never mean I have to agree with you. I wrote the question the way I wanted to ask it. It had nothing to do with mirrors, hence me not mentioning them.
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What's with all the people being total fcking ******** lately?! They get frustrated that we don't answer their question, yet they wont answer our fcking questions so we can help them! Tell us what the fck you're trying to do! Give us the info we need to answer your question. Hmm... let me check my crystal ball here.
He made the question huge so you would answer it. THIS IS NOT FLAMING. All of us were thinking the exact same thing.
If I had got to this thread earlier I would have locked it.
If this **** keeps up I'm just going to walk. Let all the ******** ask each other questions. crj_lll, you're welcome to leave.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I had an answer to my question when the member in question began to yell at me because he need more info. IF he did not have enough info for the question, no one forced him to answer. It is a free country. He could have easily walked away. I specifically did not give the application because I did not want exactly what he gave me, an alternative way to do things. Giving an alternative does not answer the question. And I guess if I have a differing opinion than the group I a "fcking *******" (your words, not mine). If that is the case, than I will accept the label, but just because you think one way does not and will never mean I have to agree with you. I wrote the question the way I wanted to ask it. It had nothing to do with mirrors, hence me not mentioning them.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxxtreme »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't see what the big deal is here. Is what he is trying to do any of our business? No not really, sure it might be interesting to know but not really needed to anwser the question at hand. He asked a simple question lets just try to keep it on topic.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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