<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Otherguy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">mnaines (4:32 PM 12/3/2006): The headlights used in newer cars sold here in Kansas City have auto-leveling housings, but the older ones don't, and I angled mine so my Sylvania Silverstar Ultra headlights light up everything up to 1/4-mile in front of me.
mnaines (4:32 PM 12/3/2006): So far, the police have not said anything about that.
Otherguy (4:32 PM 12/3/2006): uh huh...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Hmmm... That's funny... A quick google search for "auto leveling housing" yielded only two results (on the first page) relating to headlights... And those results were about lights on BMW. Must be the supercar model from BMW.

http://www.google.com/search?h...earch

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Otherguy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">mnaines (4:32 PM 12/3/2006): The headlights used in newer cars sold here in Kansas City have auto-leveling housings, but the older ones don't, and I angled mine so my Sylvania Silverstar Ultra headlights light up everything up to 1/4-mile in front of me.
mnaines (4:32 PM 12/3/2006): So far, the police have not said anything about that.
Otherguy (4:32 PM 12/3/2006): uh huh...</TD></TR></TABLE>

That sounds like it would be illegal in most places in the US and canada.

 

EBP, actually, its not illegal here to have them angled like that. What is illegal is driving around with high-beams on all the time. I drive a lot at night, and a lot of the newer cars here have HID lights, so yes, I will admit I was wrong when saying they are illegal, but they do blind drivers at night on narrow two-lane roads, even when they are angled properly. It is very hard to see where I am going when I'm on a side street and another car is coming at me from the opposite direction with HID headlights.

 

ahhahahah this is funny

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What is illegal is driving around with high-beams on all the time. I drive a lot at night, and a lot of the newer cars here have HID lights</TD></TR></TABLE>

When you have your high beams on in a car with HIDs, the HIDs are usually off.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">(6:10 PM 12/3/2006) mnaines: The Sylvania SilverStar Ultras may not be true HID bulbs, but you can't really tell the difference between the two. At least, the untrained eye can't.

(7:39 PM 12/3/2006) mnaines: The pictures otherguy put up...Those headlights are angled far lower than the headlights here are.</TD></TR></TABLE>

how many times do i have to explain this to you. theres not "special cars for kansas city". face it, you're wrong, give up and stop making yourself look like a fool.

 

So HIDs are low-beams only...lol...Now you see why I was talking to him about the silverstars...You can put Silverstars in both the high-beam and low-beam housings. However, on the cars with two-way bulbs, HID retrofits are impossible unless you get whole new housings.

 

and heres your sign

 

mnaines (4:36 PM 12/3/2006): and the Maxima uses Krypton-Xenon bulbs with the same color temperature and luminoscity as my Silverstars.
mnaines (4:49 PM 12/3/2006): HIDs may be brighter than the Silverstar Ultras, but at least you can put the silverstar ultras in the high-beam housings

dude... just give it up, If i wanted to i could put the same ******* thing in mine but i rather not waste the money

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mnaines &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">EBP, actually, its not illegal here to have them angled like that. What is illegal is driving around with high-beams on all the time. I drive a lot at night, and a lot of the newer cars here have HID lights, so yes, I will admit I was wrong when saying they are illegal, but they do blind drivers at night on narrow two-lane roads, even when they are angled properly. It is very hard to see where I am going when I'm on a side street and another car is coming at me from the opposite direction with HID headlights.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i can't speak for the laws in kansas but in toronto when the car is parked and level, the lighs aren't supposed to illuminate past 150m. waht you're describing would definately be illegal in ontario and i believe the rest of canada. you may want to check the laws in kansas. just beacause you havent had any problems with the cops, it doesnt mean what you're doing isnt illegal.

 

Kind of a weird thread.


Moral of the story is; HID's are sick, they work great in most honda **** because the stock cutoff line is agressive as hell on 1/2 the cars. Just look at the pic posted.




HID's for everyone but KansasCity residents!

 

EBP, according to Overland Park, Kansas Municipal Code 12.04.144, every vehicle upon highways in this state, at all times shall display lighted head and other lamps and illuminating devices as required for different classes of vehicles, subject to exceptions with respect to parked vehicles:

(1) from sunset to sunrise
(2) when due to insufficient light or unfavorable atmospheric conditions including smoke and fog, persons and vehicles on the highway are not discernable at a distance of 1,000 feet ahead; or
(3) when windshield wipers are in continuous use as a result of rain, sleet, or snow.

Whenever any requirement is declared in this ordinance as to the distance from which certain lamps and devices shall render objects visible or within such lamps or devices shall be visible, said provisions shall apply, during the times stated in 12.04.144 in respect to a vehicle without load upon a straight, level, unlighted highway under normal atmospheric conditions unless a different time or condition is expressly stated.

12.04.103 Inattentive Driving.
No person shall operate a vehicle in an inattentive manner. Inattentive operation of a vehicle is defined as operation of a vehicle without due regard for the road, weather and traffic conditions and other attendant circumstances then existing.

12.04.157 Lamps on Parked Vehicles.
(a) Every vehicle shall be equipped with one or more lamps which, when lighted, shall display a white or amber light visible from a distance of 1,000 feet to the front of the vehicle, and a red light visible from a distance of 1,000 feet to the rear of the vehicle. The location of said lamp or lamps always shall be such that at least one lamp or combination of lamps meeting the requirements of this section is installed as near as practicable to the side of the vehicle which is closest to passing traffic.
(b) Whenever a vehicle is lawfully parked upon a street or highway during the hours between a half hour after sunset and a half hour before sunrise, and in the event there is sufficient light to reveal persons and vehicles within a distance of 1,000 feet upon such street or highway, no lights need be displayed upon such parked vehicle.
(c) Whenever a vehicle is parked or stopped upon a roadway or shoulder adjacent thereto, whether attended or unattended, during the hours between a half hour after sunset and a half hour before sunrise and there is insufficient light to reveal any person or object within a distance of 1,000 feet upon such highway, such vehicle so parked or stopped shall be equipped with and shall display lamps meeting the requirements of subsection(a).
(d) Any lighted head lamps upon a parked vehicle shall be depressed or dimmed.


That should answer any questions as to HID headlight use here in Kansas.

I put the Inattentive driving ordinance up because that is an ordinance that just recently got passed into law. As it says in these ordinances, the absolute minimum range for headlights here in Kansas is 1,000 feet.


Modified by mnaines at 8:20 PM 12/3/2006

 

Sylvania Silverstars do put out a lot of light for an incandescent bulb. They are not very expensive, and a lot of people use them and think they are worth the money.

The only bad thing I have to say about them is that the only way to get that much light out of an incandescent bulb is going to produce a lot of heat, and that means the bulbs do not last very long.

I'd recommend you keep some spares. It's not like they'll burn out after just a couple of days, but they won't last forever like normal incandescent bulbs.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mnaines &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Most "true" HID headlights are not street legal, while the Sylvania Silverstar Ultras are street legal in all 50 states. </TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EBP_SI &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Most true HID headlights are street legal.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The confusion is that recent federal legislation caused many retailers to stop carrying HID kits. Of course, if your car left the factory with HID then it complies with federal DOT regulations.

However, your locality might or might not have extra regulations that will ask for state inspectors to reject HID kits on cars that did not come with HID to start with. Until there is a federal regulation that specifically allows HID kits of whatever variety they finally decide to approve, states and localities could very well reject HID equipped cars at the time of state inspection, or you might get pulled over and written a ticket in some localities if the officer notices that your lights are unusually bright or causing glare.

Glare can be a huge, huge problem with aftermarket HID kits.

The only thing I can advise if you want an aftermarket kit is that you buy a kit specifically designed with the focal length of your application in mind. Make sure your kit is designed for reflectors if that's what you have, and make sure your kit is designed for projectors if that's what you have.

In a few rare cases, you will be able to buy a kit designed for the headlights of your specific vehicle, and this will be the most ideal possibility, of course.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18C_EJ8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Hmmm... That's funny... A quick google search for "auto leveling housing" yielded only two results (on the first page) relating to headlights....</TD></TR></TABLE>

I had a 2002 USDM EP3 Si that I put a lot of CTR parts on before I got rid of it.

I found some German market EP3 CTR HID lights that were <u>awesome</u>, and these headlight housings included levelling motors that worked with a switch mounted near the steering wheel.

It wasn't automatic, but it was clearly designed to raise and lower these Honda headlights to suit the load you were carrying.



The levelling switch is the switch on the bottom, closest to the steering wheel.

 

From what I have been reading, the Sylvania Silverstar headlights last 30% longer than normal halogen headlights do. HID Daylight Spectrum color temperature is around or just above 4,100K, which is the color temperature of the Silverstar Ultras. The biggest difference between the Silverstar Ultras and true HID lights is how much easier the Silverstar lights are to install and replace. Now that we know who is right, apologies and admittance of wrong are expected.


Modified by mnaines at 8:48 PM 12/3/2006

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mnaines &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">From what I have been reading, the Sylvania Silverstar headlights last 30% longer than normal halogen headlights do. HID Daylight Spectrum color temperature is around or just above 4,100K, which is the color temperature of the Silverstar Ultras. The biggest difference between the Silverstar Ultras and true HID lights is how much easier the Silverstar lights are to install and replace. Now that we know who is right, apologies and admittance of wrong are expected.


Modified by mnaines at 8:45 PM 12/3/2006</TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah and the biggest difference between silverstars and HID's is the actual light output. how many times do we have to explain this to you. the color is just one aspect.

 

EBP, while HID's are much brighter, they are more expensive, and as was said earlier, most HID kits are noncompliant with DOT regulations, meaning they are not street legal.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mnaines &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">EBP, according to Overland Park, Kansas Municipal Code 12.04.144, every vehicle upon highways in this state, at all times shall display lighted head and other lamps and illuminating devices as required for different classes of vehicles, subject to exceptions with respect to parked vehicles:

(1) from sunset to sunrise
(2) when due to insufficient light or unfavorable atmospheric conditions including smoke and fog, persons and vehicles on the highway are not discernable at a distance of 1,000 feet ahead; or
(3) when windshield wipers are in continuous use as a result of rain, sleet, or snow.

Whenever any requirement is declared in this ordinance as to the distance from which certain lamps and devices shall render objects visible or within such lamps or devices shall be visible, said provisions shall apply, during the times stated in 12.04.144 in respect to a vehicle without load upon a straight, level, unlighted highway under normal atmospheric conditions unless a different time or condition is expressly stated.

12.04.103 Inattentive Driving.
No person shall operate a vehicle in an inattentive manner. Inattentive operation of a vehicle is defined as operation of a vehicle without due regard for the road, weather and traffic conditions and other attendant circumstances then existing.

12.04.157 Lamps on Parked Vehicles.
(a) Every vehicle shall be equipped with one or more lamps which, when lighted, shall display a white or amber light visible from a distance of 1,000 feet to the front of the vehicle, and a red light visible from a distance of 1,000 feet to the rear of the vehicle. The location of said lamp or lamps always shall be such that at least one lamp or combination of lamps meeting the requirements of this section is installed as near as practicable to the side of the vehicle which is closest to passing traffic.
(b) Whenever a vehicle is lawfully parked upon a street or highway during the hours between a half hour after sunset and a half hour before sunrise, and in the event there is sufficient light to reveal persons and vehicles within a distance of 1,000 feet upon such street or highway, no lights need be displayed upon such parked vehicle.
(c) Whenever a vehicle is parked or stopped upon a roadway or shoulder adjacent thereto, whether attended or unattended, during the hours between a half hour after sunset and a half hour before sunrise and there is insufficient light to reveal any person or object within a distance of 1,000 feet upon such highway, such vehicle so parked or stopped shall be equipped with and shall display lamps meeting the requirements of subsection(a).
(d) Any lighted head lamps upon a parked vehicle shall be depressed or dimmed.


That should answer any questions as to HID headlight use here in Kansas.

I put the Inattentive driving ordinance up because that is an ordinance that just recently got passed into law. As it says in these ordinances, the absolute minimum range for headlights here in Kansas is 1,000 feet.


Modified by mnaines at 8:20 PM 12/3/2006</TD></TR></TABLE>

your interpretation of the law is incorrect. by your logic, the red lights on the rear should illuminate 1000ft behind you too. this isnt the case. visibility and illumination are 2 different things.

 

EBP, what that is saying is the lights should be bright enough to be visible to a distance of 1,000 feet behind you, meaning your brake lights and taillights need to be visible by drivers who are 1,000 feet behind you. The same is true for your headlights...They need to be visible to drivers who are 1,000 feet ahead of you. The other thing is that your headlights must also be able to illuminate people or vehicles up to 1,000 feet away. You need to be able to see people and vehicles up to 1,000 feet away and people or drivers 1,000 feet away need to be able to see you. Brake lights do not need to illuminate things that much, they just need to be bright enough to be seen by other drivers 1,000 feet away.


Modified by mnaines at 9:07 PM 12/3/2006

 

Jeez... Since you're the only one in Kansas, you're the only one who really cares. Enough already...

 

Actually, B18, there's 1.3 million people in Kansas City and its metropolitan area.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mnaines &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Actually, B18, there's 1.3 million people in Kansas City and its metropolitan area.</TD></TR></TABLE>

lol. thats not a lot of peple. theres about 4.5 million people in toronto.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mnaines &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">From what I have been reading, the Sylvania Silverstar headlights last 30% longer than normal halogen headlights do.</TD></TR></TABLE>
From personal experience, the Silverstars do not last as long as regular haologen headlamps. Perhaps there has been some improvement that I'm not aware of, but I've blown several Silverstars over what would have been less than the normal lifespan of a normal halogen bulb.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The biggest difference between the Silverstar Ultras and true HID lights is how much easier the Silverstar lights are to install and replace.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Having owned Silverstars <u>and</u> the OEM Honda CTR EP3 headlamps, I can honestly say that the biggest difference between Silverstars and HID is the light output!!

Not trying to get on your bad side. I think somebody's slightly misled you.

 

DUDE Changing the hids bulbs are almost the same as changing the bulbs in normal car... I dont get what your trying to prove to the other thousands on honda tech, but just give it a rest already...