well its time to upgrade my subs. i want some opinions on some 12's that will sound good in a sealed box. this is going into a ef sedan. the amp that will be powering it is a old school rockford fosgate and imma run them bridged and the amp puts out 800 watts rms @ 4 ohm bridge. can someone suggest some subs? i want to go with two 12's. i want a SQL sub. so iwant it to get loud but still sound accurate. i was really thinking about getting the 06 MTX 7500s cause you can find them on ebay for 2 pairs for under 300. so anyone got any good subs in mind?

 

anyone??

 

I like infinities. get the kappas if you can find them.

 

http://mobile.jlaudio.com/prod..._id=4 you asked. 94

 

hahaha very nice. i am a big JL fan so ima have to say the 12w3's either the v2's or v3's

 

JL 12"W3's is my recommendation.

 

lol yea i was lookin at the w3's also. how do these compare to the MTX 7500s though?

 

Although they are only 300W SVC subs, a pr. of 12W3v3-2 or 12W3v3-8 will work very well, however because you would have to use the T7512-44s, [12" DVC 4ohm ] 400W subs, it's hard to compare them to the SVC 12W3v3s but IMO the JLs would still sound better, although not by much. 94

 

I love the mtx sub line. Just make sure you don't under power them and you will have great bass responce. Mtx sub do not like to be underpowered. Not even a little. Also do not buy them off of ebay. Mtx will not cover or warrentty any of there products that are sould on ebay. And there are people that are selling fake mtx subs that are from china. Plus the price you are getting tham for-2 for under $300 is cheap. When those subs sell for everyday for atleast 220-250 everyday. Make you wonder. sealed is 1.25 cf but if you have room throw them in to a vented enclosure.

 

i vote mtx as well.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wrx-killer-Sti eater &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> And there are people that are selling fake mtx subs that are from china. Plus the price you are getting tham for-2 for under $300 is cheap. When those subs sell for everyday for atleast 220-250 everyday. Make you wonder.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I hardly doubt that. MTX is no different from many other brands that are sold on ebay for much less money than in an ordinary or online store. I never had problems with ebay bought products...and lots of saved money

 

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I hardly doubt that. MTX is no different from many other brands that are sold on ebay for much less money than in an ordinary or online store. I never had problems with ebay bought products...and lots of saved money </TD></TR></TABLE>

Hey maybe you got lucky, I have a customer that bought a dei alarm-791 . last week and now the thing does not work. There was no warrentty card in the box and no seriel number on the unit. Now what is he going to do? I can't warrentty it. I didn't sell it to him. Dei is telling him he is s.o.l. I am not say everyone on there is selling fake products. I seen fake alpine and mtx products off of ebay. Check what mtx says about there products online and on e-bay. More companies are following suit.
http://www.mtx.com/caraudio/notAuthorized.cfm

Just be carfull on what you buy. And say that you got a good deal on them and something blows a week a two later and they give him the run around. What is he going to do? mtx is not going to do a thing for him. I am a dealer for them and my rep told me if any products come in for damage and I swapp it it out and it does not meet there conditions I bite the bullet. Thats why i had my name removed from there website. To many calls from everyday folks in a bad situation trying to warrentty there no authorised items. Op, I just saying make sure you keep your but clean. There is nonething like blowing a sub and walking into a dealer and walking out with out a headaches with a new sub.

Hey if you are going to buy online please go here. Atleast you will have good customer support and factory backing.
http://www.mtx.com/caraudio/internetDealers.cfm

 

Lets say it does go bad in a week or so. Ok, how often does it happen? Maybe once...every 10 years. How much money you save in that time? With that money you CAN afford to lose the warranty that you hardly ever use. The only time I had to use a warranty was on a digital camera...and actually it was already expired Maybe I'm just lucky, but everything I buy works straight out of the box I even once bought 2 cheap alarm/remote starts from ebay (same seller, same alarm, same day bought). One for me and one for my sister. In the end mine works fine, and hers has 0 range..or something stupid like that

One question...what do they care about authorized or non authorized sales??

 

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One question...what do they care about authorized or non authorized sales??</TD></TR></TABLE>

^^^^^ which people? I see subs blow. Anything can happen. A vc fails. Cone just happens to fall apart. A amp decides to take a shyt and blows the speaker. I can't agree on your it happens every 10 years or so. I put in subs in customers cars to have them come back a month later and the sub is making weird noises. I just replace them. Are you going to buy a new car off of the dealer with no factory warrentty. Hell naw. And say if he blew the sub. or it happens to break twice in one year. $275. Under $300 dollars like he said. That would be $550 wasted. Now if he bought it from a dealer. $0. Thats a gamble. You can play the odd game. Like I said before its like russian roulet. Yoy get what you pay for.

 

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^^^^^ which people? I see subs blow. Anything can happen. A vc fails. Cone just happens to fall apart. A amp decides to take a shyt and blows the speaker. I can't agree on your it happens every 10 years or so. I put in subs in customers cars to have them come back a month later and the sub is making weird noises. I just replace them. Are you going to buy a new car off of the dealer with no factory warrentty. Hell naw. And say if he blew the sub. or it happens to break twice in one year. $275. Under $300 dollars like he said. That would be $550 wasted. Now if he bought it from a dealer. $0. Thats a gamble. You can play the odd game. Like I said before its like russian roulet. Yoy get what you pay for. </TD></TR></TABLE> Ditto that. I have also seen the counterfeit MTX subs, we are a MTX dealer, and we have had a rash of people coming in over the last year or two with problems with their MTX subs, they were told if they have a problem to just go to an MTX dealer, that's us, we have to pull a real MTX sub and show them the diff., what a rip. 94

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fcm &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Ditto that. I have also seen the counterfeit MTX subs, we are a MTX dealer, and we have had a rash of people coming in over the last year or two with problems with their MTX subs, they were told if they have a problem to just go to an MTX dealer, that's us, we have to pull a real MTX sub and show them the diff., what a rip. 94
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Man I had people come to my shop and demand to change it because I was a dealer. wtf. Your gonna get mad at me because you went the cheap way out. I thought I was gonna have to put hands on one,lol. Alot of dealers don't list because of this fact. o-well you live and learn

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wrx-killer-Sti eater &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">^^^^^ which people? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Equipment companies. MTX for example.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wrx-killer-Sti eater &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I see subs blow. Anything can happen. A vc fails. Cone just happens to fall apart. A amp decides to take a shyt and blows the speaker. I can't agree on your it happens every 10 years or so. I put in subs in customers cars to have them come back a month later and the sub is making weird noises. I just replace them. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Of course things break. However, the odds are very small (unless you're an abuser).

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wrx-killer-Sti eater &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Are you going to buy a new car off of the dealer with no factory warrentty. Hell naw.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Never even with a warranty. Better buy used & private, unless you have money to blow.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wrx-killer-Sti eater &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> And say if he blew the sub. or it happens to break twice in one year.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I wonder how often this happens. We could also say what if it blows 5 times a year..and count the digits. But in reality it's far from being common.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wrx-killer-Sti eater &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> $275. Under $300 dollars like he said. That would be $550 wasted. Now if he bought it from a dealer. $0. Thats a gamble. You can play the odd game. Like I said before its like russian roulet. Yoy get what you pay for. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Not exactly $550 if he sends it in for a repair. Now what if he bought it at an authorized dealer and spent 1.5x for them and they never broke? Don't you think this is more likely to happen? Just think about it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fcm &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Ditto that. I have also seen the counterfeit MTX subs, we are a MTX dealer, and we have had a rash of people coming in over the last year or two with problems with their MTX subs, they were told if they have a problem to just go to an MTX dealer, that's us, we have to pull a real MTX sub and show them the diff., what a rip. 94</TD></TR></TABLE>

Everything I ever bought came in original packaging with original manuals. But then I've never bought MTX.

 

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Equipment companies. MTX for example.
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The reason mtx and compustar and other companies don't warrentty unauthorized products because some of it is b-stock. Refurbished, damaged or did not make quality control. Some times other compaines are paid to destory the bad product. Sometimes it get leaked out. I wholesaled some product to a shop that was in the same town as me. he was a good friend and he could not afford the buy in and he did not meet there standerds. He inturn sold them on the internet after I told him not to. Mtx found out and it came back on me. I not going to go into details but the reason the do this is to protect authorized dealers. And to protect there products. Theses sellers are selling below map cost. offer no warrentties and the products could be fake. I am a dealer and i make a living off of mtx. Why should theses people that don't meet mtx or other companies requirements just jump into the game and sell stuff below dealer cost. Odessa I don't care what you say on this because its not right. I signed a contract to carry there products and to abide by there rules. So did all the other dealers. so what makes it right for a off the wall company to sell a $100 speaker for $40 buxs. Alot of dealers are going to loses the contracts from mtx for selling to theses unauthorized companies. It will be a matter of time its all over and this is from my rep.

No matter what you say about it. Its going to fall on deaf ears. Shyt happens and you can't beat it. I don't care were the op buys his speaker. I not trying to sell him anything. If he buys them from ebay and they work well kudos to him and I wish him the best. But if it does't work I can recommend him to a local shop to replace his at cost because mtx is going to laugh in your face when they run the serial number and it does not match the store were they were purchased. Odessa you might of be lucky and beat the odds. But I not going to trust car audio that goes thru so much stress not to have a warrentty. Case closed.

Now lets get back on topic and help this guy.

 

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But before we do, can you explain this?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wrx-killer-Sti eater &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why should theses people that don't meet...</TD></TR></TABLE>

You said you'll stop using thoses. So from now on, you'll be using theses?

 

Quote, originally posted by wrx-killer-Sti eater »
And say if he blew the sub. or it happens to break twice in one year.


I wonder how often this happens. We could also say what if it blows 5 times a year..and count the digits. But in reality it's far from being common

Man I blew 4 subs so far this year. I wasn't abusing them. Everything set correctly. My amp just took a **** after playing for 4 hours straingt in a hot trunk on the way to vegas. I droped two subs. The other two playing a bass cd when the amped clipped. o-well. I got a warrenttyyyyyyyyyyyyyy..........Thank god I bought them from a dealer thet changed them at no cost even helped me install them. That dealer happen to be me. Glad I didn't go to ebay. even thou I seen some go below cost of what mtx sells to me. Now I would have to shipp them and pay for it. hope they cover it. Get the run around. Not worth it. People Please support your local dealers Trust me the cost might be a lil high but talk to them. I never set prices in stone. Neither do most of them. Buy a complete system and most would give you a discount or so. I know I do. Would you go to a hospital that used off the wall no name brand syringes or medical equipment. Can you imagine being hooked up to a bogus heart machine. lol,lol. just to save $20-100 buxs.

Now back on topic

 

whooooo hooooooooo I made a sig.
Thanks for the advertisment.

I don't mind my spelling. I never was good at it anyway

ooooooooo I mistyped a s at the end. woop de do


Modified by wrx-killer-Sti eater at 9:46 PM 9/11/2006

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wrx-killer-Sti eater &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't mind my spelling. I never was good at it anyway </TD></TR></TABLE> You and me both, I installed the Google tool bar, it has a great spell check, makes "Googling" a lot faster and has a pop up blocker that remembers that when I am at H/T the blocker is off so I get my IMs right away 94

 

Well, that explains it. If not for your business, I'm sure you would have a different opinion about this topic.

They sell it for whatever they want - its their speaker and they are selling it. They might as well give it away for free if that makes their business grow. Why is it not right? It's not right because it adds competition to the market. But is it illegal? No.


Time will tell, but for now things stay the same.

I'd be lucky if only I was a minority, but majority of people don't have a problem with 99% of their electronics...and many ebay sellers offer their own warranty for the stuff they sell.

If we he comes back of course...

You said you weren't abusing them, but the amp was clipping. Anyway, you're one of the few unlucky ones.

Since you're a dealer, you get this stuff below the ebay price anyway. It makes perfect sense for you.

You should consider the shipping cost as well.

Of course not, but stuff I bought was all genuine. And for warranty I could care less. If a company emphasizes this issue so much, then probably their quality controls blows like no other.

 

Yep id have to say those JL's are nice!!! Also consider a nice pair of polks or some alpine type r's.

EDIT: didnt see u got an amp, in that case youll want more power for the type r's so ull probably wanna scratch that unless your amp is 1 ohm stable, in that case wire em parallel based on specs.